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Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-16

Sangoma Technologies Corporation (TSE:STC) Just Reported Earnings, And Analysts Cut Their Target Price

Simply Wall St.

The analysts might have been a bit too bullish on Sangoma Technologies Corporation (TSE:STC), given that the company fell short of expectations when it released its quarterly results last week. It was a pretty negative result overall, with revenues of US$51m missing analyst predictions by 2.1%. Worse, the business reported a statutory loss of US$0.07 per share, much larger than the analysts had forecast prior to the result. Following the result, the analysts have updated their earnings model, and it would be good to know whether they think there's been a strong change in the company's prospects, or if it's business as usual. We thought readers would find it interesting to see the analysts latest (statutory) post-earnings forecasts for next year. This technology could replace computers: discover the 20 stocks are working to make quantum computing a reality. Following last week's earnings report, Sangoma Technologies' six analysts are forecasting 2027 revenues to be US$210.7m, approximately in line with the last 12 months. The loss per share is expected to greatly reduce in the near future, narrowing 54% to US$0.09. Before this latest report, the consensus had been expecting revenues of US$217.4m and US$0.026 per share in losses. So it's pretty clear the analysts have mixed opinions on Sangoma Technologies after this update; revenues were downgraded and per-share losses expected to increase. See our latest analysis for Sangoma Technologies The average price target fell 11% to CA$9.81, implicitly signalling that lower earnings per share are a leading indicator for Sangoma Technologies' valuation. There's another way to think about price targets though, and that's to look at the range of price targets put forward by analysts, because a wide range of estimates could suggest a diverse view on possible outcomes for the business. There are some variant perceptions on Sangoma Technologies, with the most bullish analyst valuing it at CA$11.04 and the most bearish at CA$8.02 per share. As you can see, analysts are not all in agreement on the stock's future, but the range of estimates is still reasonably narrow, which could suggest that the outcome is not totally unpredictable. Of course, another way to look at these forecasts is to place them into context against the industry itself. We would highlight that revenue is expected to reverse, with a forecast 0.7% annualise...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-15

Sangoma Technologies Corp (SANG) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Highlights: Strong Growth in Networking ...

GuruFocus.com

This article first appeared on GuruFocus. Release Date: May 13, 2026 For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript. Sangoma Technologies Corp (NASDAQ:SANG) is experiencing strong growth in its data networking and voice networking segments, with year-over-year growth rates of approximately 9% and 17%, respectively. The company is transitioning towards larger integrated deployments, which are longer-term, higher-value contracts that improve customer lifetime value and reduce churn. Sangoma's communication infrastructure business is emerging as a primary growth engine, driven by increasing demand for reliable, secure, and scalable communication infrastructures. The company's financial models continue to generate strong cash flow, with an 80% conversion rate from adjusted EBITDA to net cash from operations in the third quarter. Sangoma is actively reallocating investments towards faster-growing parts of the business, particularly infrastructure and AI-enabled capabilities, which are expected to support margin expansion over the next several years. Sangoma Technologies Corp (NASDAQ:SANG) has revised its full-year revenue expectations to between $204 million and $205 million due to geopolitical and global trade-related disruptions affecting certain international markets. The application business is in transition, with growth in larger integrated contracts being somewhat outweighed by declines in more commoditized segments. The company is facing continued pricing and monetization pressure across parts of its software and UCaaS markets. Gross margin for the quarter decreased to 71% from 74% in the previous quarter, reflecting higher fulfillment costs in certain international regions. The timing of revenue recognition on larger integrated deployments is impacting short-term revenue, contributing to a more conservative outlook for the next quarter. Warning! GuruFocus has detected 2 Warning Sign with SANG. Is SANG fairly valued? Test your thesis with our free DCF calculator. Q: Can you provide an overview of the capacity and geographic coverage of your voice and data networks, and how you differentiate in this segment? A: Jeremy Webb, COO: Our data infrastructure is primarily North American-focused, running on an advanced infrastructure backbone. This supports large deals and allows us to sell more applications late...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-14

Sangoma Technologies Q3 Earnings Call Highlights

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Interested in Sangoma Technologies Corporation? Here are five stocks we like better. Sangoma lowered its fiscal 2026 outlook, now expecting revenue of CAD 204 million to CAD 205 million and adjusted EBITDA margins of 15% to 16%. Management blamed the cut on delayed revenue recognition, international disruptions, and pricing pressure in parts of its software and UCaaS businesses. The board has launched a strategic review after receiving inbound interest over the past year. CEO Charles Salameh said the process is broad and could involve mergers, partnerships, combinations, or other value-creating options, not just a sale of assets. Infrastructure businesses are outperforming applications, with data networking and voice networking growing in the mid-teens while applications remain under pressure. Management said larger, multi-year integrated deals are driving growth but also making revenue timing more variable, especially in international markets. Sangoma Technologies (NASDAQ:SANG) lowered its full-year fiscal 2026 revenue outlook and said its board has launched a structured strategic review, as management described a business increasingly split between growing communications infrastructure assets and more pressured software and UCaaS offerings. On the company’s third-quarter investor call, Chief Executive Officer Charles Salameh said Sangoma now expects full-year revenue of CAD 204 million to CAD 205 million. Chief Financial Officer Larry Stock said the company expects adjusted EBITDA margin of 15% to 16% for the year. → Rocket Lab Just Hit a New All-Time High—Time to Buy or Let It Breathe? Management attributed the revised outlook to several factors, including timing of revenue recognition on larger integrated deployments, geopolitical and trade-related disruptions in certain international markets, and ongoing pricing and monetization pressure in parts of Sangoma’s software and UCaaS portfolio. Salameh said the company is “a business in transition,” with different parts of the portfolio moving in different directions. He said data networking and voice networking are growing ahead of the rest of the business, while applications remain under pressure in more commoditized segments. → MP Materials Is Quietly Building a Rare Earth Powerhouse Salameh said Sangoma’s board has initiated a structured strategic process, supported by a financial advisor, to evaluate alt...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-14

Sangoma Announces Third Quarter Fiscal 2026 Results

Business Wire

Growth in Communications Infrastructure Supports Long-Term Platform Strategy as Sangoma Updates Fiscal 2026 Outlook and Announces Strategic Review TORONTO, May 13, 2026--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sangoma Technologies Corporation (TSX: STC; Nasdaq: SANG) ("Sangoma" or the "Company"), a trusted industry leader uniquely offering businesses a choice of on-premises, cloud-based, or hybrid Communications as a Service solutions, today announced its third quarter financial results and unaudited condensed consolidated interim financial statements for the three and nine month periods ended March 31, 2026. All amounts are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise stated. "During the third quarter, we continued to execute our strategy while operating in an increasingly dynamic market environment," said Charles Salameh, Chief Executive Officer. "While parts of the communications applications market remain competitive and continue to experience pricing pressure, we are seeing strong underlying performance in our communications infrastructure businesses, particularly within voice and managed services, where demand for secure, reliable connectivity continues to grow as voice and data become more embedded in automated and AI-driven workflows. Given the current macroeconomic backdrop and timing impacts in certain international markets, we have updated our fiscal 2026 outlook accordingly. At the same time, the Board is undertaking a strategic review process to evaluate opportunities that may better recognize the long-term strategic value of the platform, infrastructure assets, recurring revenue base, and growth opportunities the Company has built." Third Quarter of Fiscal 2026 Highlights: Revenue at $51.0 million was less than 1% lower compared to last quarter, revenue mix is in line with the Company's expectations. Excluding $6.3 million of revenue from VoIP Supply, LLC ("VS"), which was strategically sold to exit low-margin, non-recurring resale activity, revenue was less than 2% lower year-over-year on a like-for-like basis. The Company saw strength in its MSP and Voice Infrastructure business, which grew 9% and 17% year over year, respectively, supported by increasing demand for reliable, secure communications infrastructure as voice and data become more embedded in automated workflows. Gross profit of $36.4 million representing 71% of total revenue, lower than 74% in last quarter,...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-13

AudioEye (AEYE) Q1 Earnings Miss Estimates

Zacks

AudioEye (AEYE) came out with quarterly earnings of $0.18 per share, missing the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $0.19 per share. This compares to earnings of $0.15 per share a year ago. These figures are adjusted for non-recurring items. This quarterly report represents an earnings surprise of -2.70%. A quarter ago, it was expected that this company would post earnings of $0.21 per share when it actually produced earnings of $0.22, delivering a surprise of +4.76%. Over the last four quarters, the company has surpassed consensus EPS estimates two times. AudioEye, which belongs to the Zacks Internet - Software industry, posted revenues of $10.55 million for the quarter ended March 2026, surpassing the Zacks Consensus Estimate by 0.03%. This compares to year-ago revenues of $9.73 million. The company has topped consensus revenue estimates two times over the last four quarters. The sustainability of the stock's immediate price movement based on the recently-released numbers and future earnings expectations will mostly depend on management's commentary on the earnings call. AudioEye shares have lost about 23% since the beginning of the year versus the S&P 500's gain of 8.3%. While AudioEye has underperformed the market so far this year, the question that comes to investors' minds is: what's next for the stock? There are no easy answers to this key question, but one reliable measure that can help investors address this is the company's earnings outlook. Not only does this include current consensus earnings expectations for the coming quarter(s), but also how these expectations have changed lately. Empirical research shows a strong correlation between near-term stock movements and trends in earnings estimate revisions. Investors can track such revisions by themselves or rely on a tried-and-tested rating tool like the Zacks Rank, which has an impressive track record of harnessing the power of earnings estimate revisions. Ahead of this earnings release, the estimate revisions trend for AudioEye was mixed. While the magnitude and direction of estimate revisions could change following the company's just-released earnings report, the current status translates into a Zacks Rank #3 (Hold) for the stock. So, the shares are expected to perform in line with the market in the near future. You can see the complete list of today's Zacks #1 Rank (Strong Buy) stocks here. It will be...

TranscriptFY2026 Q32026-05-13

FY2026 Q3 earnings call transcript

Earnings source - 118 paragraphs
Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Sangoma Investor Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for analysts to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star then zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Samantha Reburn, Chief Legal Officer. Please go ahead, Ms. Reburn.

Samantha Reburn

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, welcome to Sangoma's Third Quarter of Fiscal Year 2026 Investor Call. We are recording the call and will make it available on our website for anyone who is unable to join us live. I'm here today with Charles Salameh, Sangoma's Chief Executive Officer, Jeremy Wubs, Chief Operating Officer, and Larry Stock, Chief Financial Officer. Charles will provide a high-level overview of the quarter. Jeremy and Larry will take you through the operating results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2026, which ended on March 31st, 2026. Following their presentation, we will open the floor for Q&A with analysts. We will discuss the press release that was distributed earlier today, together with the company's financial statements and MD&A, which are available on SEDAR+, EDGAR, and our website. As a reminder, Sangoma reports under International Financial Reporting Standards, IFRS.

Samantha Reburn

During the call, we may refer to terms such as adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, which are non-IFRS measures, but defined in our MD&A. Before we start, I'd like to remind you that the statements made during the course of this call that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements regarding the company or management's intentions, estimates, plans, expectations, and strategies for the future. Because such statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are discussed in the accompanying MD&A, unaudited condensed consolidated interim financial statements, our annual information form, and the company's annual audited financial statements posted on SEDAR+, EDGAR, and our website. With that, I'll hand the call over to Charles.

Charles Salameh

Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us. This quarter is an important one for Sangoma, not just in terms of results, but in how we want investors to understand the business going forward. The market is shifting quickly given the dynamics of AI. Before we get into the details of the quarter, I wanted to step back and provide a clearer view of how we are seeing the business evolve due to these shifts. This quarter, we are breaking Sangoma into its core components, hardware, applications, the data networking, and the voice portfolios to better reflect where the growth is actually occurring inside the portfolio. What this view shows us is that it's a business in transition. When you look at Sangoma on a consolidated basis, you're seeing a blended view of very different businesses, some mature and under pressure, and others growing and becoming increasingly strategic.

Charles Salameh

That consolidated lens, while accurate from a reporting standpoint, does not fully reflect where the momentum is building or where we are investing for the future. Our data networking and voice networking segments are performing very well, growing approximately 9% and 17% year-over-year, supported by increasing demand for trusted, intelligent communications infrastructure. At the same time, our application business is in transition, with growth in larger integrated contracts being somewhat outweighed by declines in more commoditized segments, which is kind of impacting our consolidated revenue profile. That divergence matters because the value in this company is not evenly distributed, and increasingly it is being created in areas that are not always visible in the top-line number. Given where we are in the year and the visibility we now have into Q4, we believe it's important to be direct.

Charles Salameh

We now expect that full year revenue to land somewhere between CAD 204 million and CAD 205 million. This revision reflects two factors. We think geopolitical and global trade-related disruptions are affecting certain international markets for us, and continued pricing and monetization pressure across parts of our software and UCaaS markets are also affected. Importantly, there are parts of the business that we believe will drive long-term value, our infrastructure assets that are performing and growing well, and we are seeing early signs of that shift accelerating. As we outlined in our earnings release today, in response to increasing inbound expressions of interest, the board has initiated a structured strategic process supported by a financial advisor to evaluate alternatives focused on ensuring the full value of the business is realized. This is an active board-led process and a priority at the highest levels of the organization.

Charles Salameh

We believe the platform we've built, particularly our communications infrastructure, our recurring revenue base, and our AI-enabled platform strategies, is increasingly relevant at scale. This process is about aligning that strength with the right path forward. Our objective is straightforward. Continue to execute the business while the board evaluates the right path to ensure the value is realized. For today, I'm gonna anchor our discussion in three areas. First, our go-to-market is evolving towards larger integrated deployments, which I've spoken about before. We are increasingly moving up market, not selling point solutions, but delivering integrated communication environments across our distributed enterprises. These are multi-product deployments that combine network, voice, security, and applications into a single managed framework. What's important here is not just the deal sizes, but the deal quality. These contracts are longer term, three to five years in duration, higher value, and expand generally over time.

Charles Salameh

As the deal size and the complexity increase, deployments are implemented in stages, which affects the timing of when revenue is recognized across these bundles. That dynamic is impacting the short term, but these larger integrated deployments are improving customer lifetime value, reducing churn, and reinforcing our value proposition. We are building a deeper, more embedded relationships with our customers, and that is fundamentally shifting in our models. Secondly, our communication infrastructure business is emerging as a primary growth engine. This is where we're seeing the strongest and most consistent momentum. Our data and voice networking businesses are growing ahead of the rest of the portfolio, driven by increasing demand for reliable, secure, and scalable, intelligent, trusted communication infrastructures. This reflects a broader structural shift in how communications are being consumed.

Charles Salameh

As automation and AI agents become embedded in these workflows, the volume and frequency of voice and data inter-interactions increases. We think this will continue. These are not traditional user-driven calls. They are system-driven, always-on interactions that require routing, validation, and delivery across both the voice and the data network. That drives higher consumption at the infrastructure layer, and it's showing up in the numbers that we are seeing. We believe this is where the next phase of value creation will occur, not just in the applications, but in the networks that carry and enable those interactions. Our owned global voice networks, combined with our broader communication stack, positions us directly in that layer. Importantly, it allows us to participate in that growth, not just on a seat basis, but on a usage and consumption basis over time.

Charles Salameh

This is where AI becomes a catalyst, not just a feature, and where we see Sangoma playing a central role as that demand scales across our infrastructures. Third, our financial models continue to generate strong cash flow and provide strategic flexibility. Our recurring revenue base, improved mix, and operating discipline translates into strong conversion from EBITDA to cash. That allows us to reinvest in growth, reduce our leverage, and maintain flexibility in how we allocate capital. In Q3, we made deliberate efforts to reposition our investments towards the growing areas of our business that I spoke about earlier. As those businesses scale, we expect operating leverage to support margin expansion over the next several years. That flexibility matters, particularly in a market where valuation does not always reflect underlying performance. Sangoma is a classic case.

Charles Salameh

It allows us to continue to execute the strategy while also evaluating broader opportunities to unlock value. Taken together, these three areas reflect a business that is shifting from a collection of products to a more integrated platform, from seat-based growth to infrastructure-led consumption, and from short-term revenue focus to longer-term value creation. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeremy to walk through the operating results in more detail. Jeremy, over to you.

Jeremy Wubs

Thanks, Charles. I'll focus on what we're seeing operationally across the business, pipeline and customer health, momentum in our MSP and voice infrastructure lines, and how well-positioned we are to support long-term growth. First, both pipeline and customer health remain strong. Overall, pipeline and backlog were relatively flat quarter-over-quarter, while bookings were lower, following a particularly strong Q2. As deal sizes increase, the mix and timing of bookings can vary, but we continue to build and execute against a pipeline of larger, more strategic opportunities. This quarter has seen an abundance of add-on business to previously booked deals, further reinforcing our essential communication strategy and ability to capture share of wallet. For example, the large full-stack retail solution with 350-plus locations that closed in Q2, it started out as 150K MRR.

Jeremy Wubs

It's about 15% implemented, and we're already booked an additional 50K MRR, taking this to 200K MRR. We have a customer with a large national group of clinics, and over the last 12+ months, they've expanded to 675 locations and 144K of total MRR, with an additional 112 locations expected in the back half of this calendar year. It's not just the larger deals that are getting larger. We have a multi-location healthcare customer that has expanded throughout the fiscal from its first location in Q1, three more in Q2, five more in Q3, with bookings now totaling 22K MRR. Expansion is all about trust and confidence in our ability to support our customers, which continues to be stable and highly sticky.

Jeremy Wubs

Churn improved this quarter to approximately 0.79%, which is better than our historical level at 1% and a direct result of the significant improvements in CSAT and NPS that I talked about in prior quarters. Second, we continue to see strong momentum in our MSP and voice infrastructure lines. Our MSP business is growing approximately 9% year-over-year, outperforming the broader market, driven by our strategy to move upmarket and deliver full stack deployments. These are multi-product engagements where we move deeper into the customer environment over time. Our voice infrastructure and advanced SIP trunking lines remain a standout, growing approximately 19% year-over-year, driven by new customer wins, expansions within the existing accounts, and increasing traffic across our network. It's evident now more than ever that communications relevance, reliability, and trust reside in the infrastructure layer.

Jeremy Wubs

This will continue to be amplified as cyber threats, voice and data phishing tactics, and importantly, AI agents become more prevalent and embedded in workflows and the way customers operate their business. Today, AI agents are already answering calls, booking appointments, and following up with customers. As these workflows move deeper into business operations, they rely on secure, trusted communications infrastructure with appropriate regulatory and compliance measures in place, whether that's PCI, HIPAA, STIR/SHAKEN. These capabilities don't get built overnight, and they represent areas where we've invested for years and continue to expand. At the same time, we're beginning to bring AI capabilities directly into the platform with both AI IVR and conversational receptionist agents now in beta and additional capabilities being added through select third-party integrations. We also continue to evaluate targeted acquisitions, particularly in AI and security, where those capabilities directly strengthen our intelligent, trusted communications infrastructure.

Jeremy Wubs

As voice becomes more embedded in automated workflows, it is clear this will continue to be one of the fastest-growing and most strategic parts of our portfolio. With that, I'll turn it over to Larry to walk through the financials in more detail.

Larry Stock

Thank you, Jeremy. As Charles outlined, the consolidated view of Sangoma maps the growth that's happening within the portfolio, and that's particularly important as we think about the underlying value of the business. At a high level, approximately 60% of our revenue comes from applications, which includes UCaaS, CX, and CPaaS technologies. Over the past two years, we've consolidated this portfolio significantly, moving from a fragmented set of platforms to a more focused, integrated stack. Within this segment, we serve both a lower-end customer base where the market has become increasingly commoditized and a larger mid-market customer where we're growing through a vertical lead bundled strategy. Overall, this portfolio has declined at a low single-digit rate year to date, but we're seeing improving trends as our mix shifts towards larger, higher quality deals.

Larry Stock

Approximately 30% of our revenue comes from our data networking and voice networking portfolio, which includes MSP access and carrier voice. Together, this infrastructure portfolio is growing in the mid-teens and becoming a more strategically important contributor as usage scales and value concentrates at the infrastructure layer. The remainder of the portfolio includes our open source business and hardware, which each represent single-digit percentages of revenue. While smaller in size, both play important strategic roles in supporting our infrastructure platform and bundled essential communication solutions. The most important point is this. Different parts of the portfolio are growing at different rates, but the portfolio is built to generate cash across the board, and that cash flow is the foundation of value at Sangoma. In the third quarter, we generated CAD 6 million in net cash from operating activities, representing an 80% conversion rate from adjusted EBITDA.

Larry Stock

Year to date, our conversion of adjusted EBITDA to net cash from operations was 87%, which is right in line with our expectations for the fiscal year. Free cash flow for the third quarter was CAD 3.6 million or CAD 0.11 per diluted share and remains a core driver of shareholder value. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 196,000 shares under our NCIB, bringing total repurchases to approximately 271,000 shares year to date. Subsequent to quarter end, the TSX approved the renewal of the NCIB for an additional 12-month period. We also continued to reduce our debt. During the first three quarters of fiscal 2026, we repaid approximately CAD 15.5 million of term debt.

Larry Stock

Total outstanding debt at March 31st was CAD 32.5 million, and quarter end cash was CAD 15.2 million. Our consistent cash generation, ongoing deleveraging, and disciplined capital returns have continued to reinforce the underlying value of the business and provide strategic flexibility as we move forward. Now turning to the P&L. Total revenue for the third quarter was CAD 51 million, reflecting the mix and timing dynamics we've discussed across the portfolio. Revenue from outside the U.S. was down approximately CAD 300,000 quarter-over-quarter and CAD 660,000 year-over-year, reflecting the macroeconomic and global trade-related pressures that have impacted demand in certain international markets. Gross margin for the quarter was 71% compared to 74% in the second quarter.

Larry Stock

The change reflects a combination of factors, including a higher contribution from infrastructure services with respect to product mix and higher fulfillment costs in certain international regions. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was CAD 7.5 million or 15% of revenue. While margins were impacted by the factors I just outlined, we've been actively reallocating investments in both R&D and SG&A toward the faster-growing parts of the business, particularly infrastructure and AI-enabled capabilities, allowing us to continue investing in growth while maintaining solid profitability and cash generation. Turning to our outlook, we are updating our guidance for the fiscal year. We now expect full fiscal 2026 revenue in the range of CAD 204 million-CAD 205 million. This reflects continued momentum in infrastructure and services alongside the timing of revenue recognition on larger integrated deployments.

Larry Stock

It also takes into consideration the headwinds we have experienced on the international business. We now expect adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 15%-16%. The change reflects the evolving mix of the business, with faster-growing infrastructure representing a larger share of revenue in the near term. Over time, we expect margin expansion for both the infrastructure side of the business as consumption volume grows in essential communications applications as larger customer contracts scale. Importantly, this outlook continues to be supported by strong cash generation, disciplined capital allocation, and improving visibility as deployments mature. Before we open the line for questions, and as always, I want to thank the broader Sangoma team for their hard work, dedication, and execution. Operator, we're now ready to open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. One moment, please. We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please. Pardon me. One moment, please.

Speaker 10

Sure.

Operator

The first question is from Gavin Fairweather with ATB Cormark. Please go ahead.

Gavin Fairweather

Oh, hey. Hopefully, you can hear me. There's a bit of background noise. Just on the new focus around the voice and data networks on the infrastructure side, maybe you can just refresh us on kind of the capacity and geographic coverage of that segment. You know, how you know, win in that segment and differentiate yourself versus competitors. Just lastly, kinda how much of that is being sold through, you know, existing channels and existing clients and versus it being separate?

Jeremy Wubs

Yeah, I'll talk. Hey, Gavin, it's Jeremy. There's a couple of things. you know, the kind of data infrastructure is more North American-focused. It runs on a pretty advanced infrastructure backbone we have. That's really tied to a lot of the large deals and logos I talked about in previous quarters. Like, it starts with the network infrastructure, getting that traffic running over top, and it gives us the opportunity to kind of in later quarters go sell more applications and solutions on top of it. You got one component, very North American-focused, data infrastructure-based, and then the voice infrastructure base.

Jeremy Wubs

There is some commonalities in the kind of the network it operates on, but that's sold mostly to a lot of large other UCaaS trunking providers, you know, that have software offerings that need to, you know, run calling, run AI agents, run more advanced applications. That infrastructure is both North American-based and actually reaches out globally into the worldwide theater. I would say for the most part, it's a lot of the same partners in our partner ecosystem, but it's a subset. It's, you know, ones that are more sophisticated, ones that have a better appreciation for kind of the more advanced features and services that we're able to provide.

Jeremy Wubs

You know, they have a propensity to go after larger logos, and that's really what's helped us win, you know, a lot of those larger deals I've talked about in other quarters and see the, you know, 19% growth on the voice infrastructure side and 9% year-over-year growth on the data infrastructure side.

Gavin Fairweather

Appreciate that. Very helpful. Then just on the multi-product larger wins that you've secured in recent quarters, I think you said that the backlog of deals kind of booked but not yet live was pretty unchanged with last quarter, which I think was at an elevated level. Maybe you can just talk about, you know, the timelines for some of that business to go live and start showing up on the services side.

Jeremy Wubs

Yeah. Most of them take about six to eight months to deploy. I mean, the example I sort of talked about earlier, we had closed in Q2 350 locations. It's about 15, almost 20% implemented now.

Jeremy Wubs

You know, you're talking a couple more quarters, two to three more quarters before they get up to full run rate, whether that's, you know, the 150K one I mentioned. They, you know, another one I talked about last quarter is about 20K. Those types of deals, so you're talking six to eight months. If it's a little more voice infrastructure related, you know, it probably in a quarter or two. If it starts with kind of a national data network, like the bigger ones that are in the, you know, 100K plus range, that's more in the six to eight month timeframe.

Charles Salameh

Every quarter, though, we're continuing to build on the foundation of more bookings in this area. The simple way to look at it, Gavin, is we're getting these customers onto our networks through a value proposition that standardizes their network platform, reduces their total cost of ownership, and secures their network. We bring them on every quarter. They get rolled out over the course of eight to 12 months. Every quarter we keep adding to that portfolio. The compounding effect of that is really hard to time it because some of it is not just our own capacity, it's the capacity of the clients themselves to organize their locations, get ready for us to install.

Charles Salameh

It's why we have difficulty sometimes so early, like we're only one year into this sort of pivot to the larger transformational type deals to really pivot on when these will all land on whatever particular quarter. I think as we get more and more mature, every single quarter we'll get much more clarity on, you know, understanding how the impact has to revenue relative to the other pressures that we're facing and that we talked about earlier.

Gavin Fairweather

Thanks. I'll pass the line.

Operator

The next question is from Daniel Rosenberg with Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead.

Daniel Rosenberg

Hi there. Sorry for any background noise. I'm just in transit. My first question was around the expressions of interest that you mentioned. Any color you could give about, you know, are these several expressions of interest? How, you know, initial conversations, how deep these conversations have gone? Just any color there would be appreciated.

Charles Salameh

Yeah, look, we've been looking at ways to drive value creation with a company of our size. You know, we're a small cap Canadian company with, you know, some liquidity challenges. The, you know, part of our mandate was really to get the company into good operational strength, which is where it is now, and good financial strength. We knew when we got them into these two positions, we'd have lots of options. One of the options would be to buy a bunch of companies and start to build on our platform. The other option was potentially to exploit the value in our financial systems. Well, just like we've been trying to do with our own company, we've had interest really since we've begun the transformation.

Charles Salameh

You know, at the beginning of this fiscal year, we came out of transformation, and we've had lots of inbound interest to look at the company from all kinds of scenarios. Mergers, potentially, you know, combining efforts, partnerships where we would combine portfolios. Obviously, we've been looking at acquisitions. It's kind of been a slow-growing, ongoing set of interests over the course of the last year. It just got to the point now where the board felt it was, you know, our duty to, you know, announce that this was going on just because the interest continued to increase. You know, inside that last six months, really the last six to eight months, the market has dramatically shifted. There's been a lot of activity in this type of space and so we felt it was, like, the right time to do it.

Daniel Rosenberg

Okay. Appreciate that. Just turning to your commentary around kind of the macro, some international impacts. I was just curious if you could tell me what you're hearing from the budgets of your target customers. Has there been any change in propensity to spend? I think of all these AI applications, you know, just dollars, where they're being allocated. Just what are you seeing on the front lines?

Charles Salameh

Honestly, on the international front, our portfolios international are somewhat restricted to a handful of offerings. We have a cloud-based offering that can operate in multiple countries, and we have a lot of traditional voice hardware business out in those parts of the world. These are offerings that are generally fairly cost-conscious. With some of the activities in the Strait of Hormuz and the disruption to supply chains, shipping costs, production costs have gone up, and a lot of our clients are just basically telling us that the costs have become prohibitive. They're pulling back on their deals until they sort of see if there's any calmness that comes to that part of the world.

Charles Salameh

We ship product to, you know, Korea, and to Asian markets, and to Middle Eastern markets, into the Indian markets, into Italy, and so some of those have had some disruptions. Basically, most of it has been around cost of transportation, and shipping costs have just made it somewhat cost prohibitive, and it's slowed down our orders unexpectedly. As you know by how fast this war came upon, very, very quickly, which has caused a bit of the challenge we've had this quarter. You know, if I was just being honest with you, I think the feeling I'm getting from customers in that market is it's still a little ambiguous.

Charles Salameh

You know, does this thing shut down in Q4 and we go back to normal, or does it take a couple of quarters before costs, shipping stable down while they got to go through the backlog? We don't know. As a result, you know, we've been quite cautious about our guidance relative to the impact that would have. Also just one other, you know, thing, like we've had events being canceled by customers because of some of this turmoil that's going on in the market. You know, the overall answer to your question is the feedback we're getting is the market is very uncertain as to what's going on. It's creating caution, that caution is translating into slower orders for us and delays in orders relative to the situation they're faced with.

Charles Salameh

To be honest, I don't blame them.

Daniel Rosenberg

Okay. lastly for me, just on the margin. Would you say the margin impact this quarter is kind of a function of what you just described? 'Cause when I think of you guys historically, you've been pretty consistent in the margin that you've been able to produce. just wondering how you're thinking about margins on a go-forward basis, you know, any expectations of a rebound if some of these issues get resolved in the near term?

Larry Stock

Yeah. For, you know, for the next quarter as we're guiding, we see it relatively the same given the visibility that we have. As we, you know, as we transition to seeing some of the volume in some of these other areas and our ability to increase the margin there, moving forward, we would expect to see that expand as we move forward. For the next quarter, we've built that into the guidance that we've given just because of the uncertainty in those areas.

Daniel Rosenberg

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Charles Salameh

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Suthan Sukumar with Stifel Canada. Please go ahead.

Suthan Sukumar

Hi, Sue. Good evening, guys. You guys, for my first question, I wanted to touch on some of the commentary you guys made around, you know, keeping the investments going into the growth categories of the business. Is this more of a reallocation of resources, or is there now a new incremental scope of investment given some of the market signals that you're seeing?

Larry Stock

It's really both. We're always looking at costs and on a net basis, we'll be at about a CAD 2 million annualized cost reduction. However, we are putting back into the business significant investments in those areas which would be a reallocation. From that point of view, we're looking at where we can deploy those assets to serve where we're seeing the growth. It is the combination of both, Suthan.

Suthan Sukumar

Okay. Okay. Okay, great. With respect to the color you guys shared on the pipeline trends sequentially, you know, I think you touched on the earlier question, but you know, is that, is that, you know, is that sort of activity in the pipeline that you're seeing now, is that more reflecting, you know, more of a pause in overall client decisions here given the macro that's playing out? Is this also a function of really just the larger scope of deals that you guys are working with now and the lumpier nature of those deals? You know, moreover, what are you seeing, you know, post the quarter?

Charles Salameh

No. Like, I'll be clear on a couple of things, if I understand your question. First of all, the pullback or the hesitation is really pretty focused in on some of our international markets and those customers. In the U.S. markets where, you know, 90% of our revenue exists today, we're not really seeing a pullback. What we're seeing there more of is, look, we kicked off in July of this year, this idea because we were post integration and transformation, bundles of larger deals upmarket, which required, you know, three major things to happen. One, we needed to find sales leadership that knew how to sell the integrated bundle value proposition. Two, we need to really isolate the partners that really understood the complexity of these types of larger, you know, lowering TCO type value propositions.

Charles Salameh

Three, we had to sort of land those deals and then roll them out. We got all three of those things actually pretty right in the first couple of quarters. What we're still struggling with a little bit, it's just the speed of execution of deployment. As every quarter goes by, we get much more intelligent about how these things roll out, especially these larger, very large complex deals like the one Jeremy was talking about. You know, we didn't anticipate that we would start at a 150,000 MRR, then within three or four months later, we're now adding another 50,000 of MRR. Now it's a CAD 200,000. We've never done deals of that size before. We're learning as we go. We don't see any real pause here.

Charles Salameh

In fact, we're gonna see continued escalation or not escalation, but increased volumes of these types of transactions. They're just gonna be a little bit wonky for the first couple of quarters. Like one quarter, you might have huge booking numbers where you'll do 10 million of TCV, and then the next quarter you might have half that, and the next quarter you might have triple that. As we get more and more mature over the coming quarters because we're now definitively focused on this business and couple that, Suthan, with we've made a conscious decision this quarter to really focus the growth of the company on these areas of the business and not try and invest in all the areas. There's a realization that the application side of this business, just a very tough sled. I think it's commoditizing.

Charles Salameh

I think it's an area of the business where you need to deprioritize. I don't mean stop growing, but sustain that business, but really put dollars that we have available to us into those areas that are growing double digit. The value proposition that we tested in July of this year, at the beginning of July, beginning of this year, has proven that this is the area that customers are appreciating and that we are going to start investing more and more of our energy and time to. We're just not at a point yet where I can pinpoint every single quarter the exact amount of revenue that's gonna fall. What I can tell you is just it's growing. There's demand for it.

Charles Salameh

I think AI now and agent traffic on these networks is gonna continue to increase the volume there, and we'll continue to learn as we deploy these things on a quarter-by-quarter basis. I know it's a very vague answer to the question, but it's really the best we can tell you about right now is it's an exciting area of growth for us, but it's a new area that is now showing up in real numbers for the company as we announced today in terms of what we're seeing, and we're allocating the investments to support that.

Suthan Sukumar

Gotcha. No, that's a helpful color. Just one last one from me, guys. Just on the strategic review, would you entertain selling parts of the business? If the board ultimately deems that, you know, you guys stay the normal course of business, would you continue to be active on M&A going forward?

Charles Salameh

Being active on, sorry? M&A.

Suthan Sukumar

Being active on-

Charles Salameh

So-

Suthan Sukumar

on M&A.

Suthan Sukumar

Yeah.

Suthan Sukumar

Because of the ambitions you've talked about in the past.

Charles Salameh

Yeah, yeah. Of course, because, what this announcement was about, and I know, you know, the general view is it's just simply, "Hey, we're looking at strategic alternatives in one dimension." We're not. We have been and continue to look at, you know, being an acquirer of companies, but to now potentially being acquired. There's no definitive timeline at this point. You know, do we see selling parts of the company, I think is what your question was. I don't think that's a logical answer because the value of this company has always been predicated in the foundation of the essential communications bundle that we believe the mid-market is moving towards. Selling parts of the company doesn't seem to make sense, although the board is willing to entertain anything that creates shareholder value.

Charles Salameh

It's a broad announcement on how the board feels about what we wanna do. We wanna unlock value for the company that creates shareholder value, and we're gonna look at all various options to maximize that.

Suthan Sukumar

Okay, great. Thanks for the for the feedback, guys. I'll pass the line.

Charles Salameh

Okay, bye.

Operator

The next question is from David Kwan with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Charles Salameh

Hi, David. Hello?

Operator

Mr. Kwan, your line is open.

David Kwan

Oh, hi. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes.

Charles Salameh

Yep.

David Kwan

Oh, perfect. I'm not sure what happened. Obviously you spoke a few months ago, and there was just a lot of bullish commentary and data points on the call, and not so much on kinda some of the headwinds that you might have been seeing, especially internationally. I'm just trying to reconcile that with kind of what came out this quarter. Like, how did things, I guess, seemingly change relatively quickly in some of your markets, most notably internationally? Was it just the Iran conflict or is there something else?

Charles Salameh

No, it was the Iran conflict. I mean, the Middle East crisis, the disruption to the supply chain directly affected our mostly NRR business, which is tied to the international side of our revenue stream. It's a very stable, the international markets for us, and the leader who runs it is usually very stable. Q3 is actually our strongest quarter, generally speaking. It has been for multiple years. This is the seasonality trend of the international markets. The only thing that's really disrupted it, and we're getting direct feedback, is the very rapid implications associated with the macroeconomic issues that are going on. It's created problems with shipping costs.

Charles Salameh

It's created problems with clients', you know, belief that we would get product to them at a certain time, and orders were delayed, It's just caused a short-term impact. I don't know how long it's gonna last, and that's why I'm being a little bit more conservative about, you know, where I think Q4 is. Is this gonna end? If it does, like, okay. Ask any of my CEO friends the same question. Like, okay, well what's the backlog implication to this? If you're an NRR seller, you're a product seller, which we are for international, that's mostly what we sell out there's a direct impact there, it creates a lot of ambiguity. That's why I said in my remarks, I gotta be direct with you guys.

Charles Salameh

Like, I'm gonna have to lower guidance as a result of it because I just cannot put my finger on where they're gonna be. We were quite bullish on them going into January. Then when did this thing happen? Like, it happened, what, February, March, and boom. It has that kind of an impact. I'm not being cute, but that's about as honest as an answer I can give you.

David Kwan

No, I appreciate, I sure appreciate the color, Charles. I guess when you look at the breakdown of the revenues, the proc revenues actually were quite solid. But on the services side, it looks like the shortfall was relative to kind of what you guys had kinda guided to in terms of year-over-year and sequential growth this quarter. Seemed to be about CAD 2 million. I'm trying to understand what the difference was. Was there, you know, the FX was a bit of an impact there, but what happened there?

Charles Salameh

I'm sorry, with respect to what specifically?

David Kwan

Just on the services revenue side. You guys had been talking about Q3 being a quarter of returning to not just quarter-over-quarter growth, in services revenue, but also year-over-year basis. Relative to where the revenues fell out this quarter, it looked like there was about a CAD 2 million shortfall. Given that churn was actually seemingly, I think went down this quarter based on Jeremy's commentary, I'm just trying to reconcile that.

Jeremy Wubs

Hey, David. It's Jeremy. A lot of it was what Charles just mentioned previously, like the timing really of some of those larger, more strategic deals. We booked a tremendous TCV in Q2. We had very strong bookings in Q1 as well around some of these larger strategic deals. You know, I wouldn't have predicted, you know, that we'd only be on some of these larger ones 15% deployed. I thought we'd be at 40%, 50% deployed, and that MRR would've flown, you know, would've shown up this quarter. It's not, you know, it's not kind of, you know, our ability to implement and kinda pace these deals. It's just the pace at which the customers go.

Jeremy Wubs

You know, one of the large account I mentioned before, large retail at 350 plus locations, some of them are in, you know, strip malls. They gotta do it after hours. They gotta coordinate it with the landlord. They gotta get to the telecom room. You've got it on the schedule for whatever, the first of the month, and sometimes by the time you can get all that coordinated, it's two, three, four weeks later. That's really what's impacting our, you know, our Q3 services revenue, the lumpiness and the pacing of these larger deals. As we have a larger and more stable volume of large deals, you know, that'll help create more predictability in the MRR and services business.

Charles Salameh

I mean, David, I made it clear as well, like that is certainly a big part of it. We have a big portfolio. Part of the portfolio is NRR and the product business, which has generally grown, so that you've heard there's been some headwinds associated with that we described. There's also the third bucket, which I've been very open about, right? The market has dramatically changed in the software industry in the last seven to eight months. No one would have If you asked me a year ago, would I have thought the infrastructure, networking, and data businesses would have been a strength of Sangoma, I would have said you're smoking grass.

Charles Salameh

It is now, you talk to any of the major players in this space, infrastructure plus AI could become the new success because there's a realization AI agents are coming on these networks at an extraordinarily rapid rate, and they need an infrastructure that can trust, authenticate, timestamp these agents just like you would with voice calls. We've become to realize that the services, the pure software side of the business, the traditional UCaaS business, which makes up a large chunk of our revenue, is just commoditizing at an accelerating rapid rate. I can either fight that, which I thought we could over the course of the year.

Charles Salameh

I could fight it hard or try and differentiate with a company of my size, CAD 200 million, or we can really put the guns of growth towards where we think the puck's gonna be, which is in the infrastructure. We've kind of made a pivot in Q3 under that realization, and given the adaptability of this company and how fast we can pivot, we pivoted in Q3. We took out some costs, we reallocated those costs into the growth engines. That's had a bit of an effect on the year-over-year, the consolidated view, as Larry said in his remarks. It's hiding the underlying growth of what's really happening in the company and what I believe the market is actually doing and rewarding.

Charles Salameh

I guess the simple way of saying it, the plan in July is a little bit different than the plan now, some eight, nine months later, primarily because you cannot deny the market has absolutely shifted in technology, in particular in the last eight months.

David Kwan

I appreciate the color, guys. Last question. For the strategic review, did you just commence that, or did that start earlier and you're only disclosing that now?

Charles Salameh

No, we've been sort of working with our bankers since about the beginning of the fiscal year. Really it was mostly focused on a hugely broad mandate that kind of went into acquisitions, it went into all kinds of a potential way to unlock shareholder value because we just didn't feel the market was rewarding the company for the value that it had. I mean, we've got value in two areas. You know, we've strengthened the financial position of the company with its balance sheet, its debt, its cash flow, its EBITDA position, and we've strengthened the portfolio after two years of grueling transformation.

Charles Salameh

We still didn't feel the market was rewarding it, so we wanted to get a different set of eyeballs on it, we engaged that process at the beginning of the year. Because of what's happening in the market, the company had drawn a lot of attention to itself, we thought it was appropriate in our fiduciary responsibility to announce it.

David Kwan

I appreciate it. Thank you.

Charles Salameh

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question is from Robert Young with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Robert Young

Hi, good evening. I was gonna ask why now on the strategic review, I think the answer to the last question partly answered. I mean, I think if I were to look at the previous comments you just made, it sounds as though you're looking at optimizing the business. This isn't a situation where you've had an outside offer that's forcing a process, if I'm, you know, trying to understand the answer to the previous question. Is that?

Charles Salameh

That's right, Robert. You're right. As usual, smart as a whip.

Robert Young

I mean, you're already looking at divesting slower parts of the business like the VoIP Supply transaction. Is this just a continuation of what you had been doing before, just more formalized?

Charles Salameh

Yeah, it's a little broader than that now. I think, like I said earlier, the market, you know, We, me, like most CEOs who are in my space right now, are a little frustrated by this. It's dramatic structural changes that are hard to understand in the software industry, in the UCaaS industry. You know, we believe there's value in this company, in Sangoma in particular, dual value in its financial strength and dual value in its portfolio and the richness of the portfolio, and certainly in what we're starting to see now with the, with the growth in the business in certain areas, you know, combined with the compression in other areas. The value is just being locked up, and the market's not appreciating. We're looking at broader ways to unlock shareholder value.

Charles Salameh

That's my job. First and foremost, beyond protecting the integrity of the employees of the company, is to increase shareholder value. You know, I think we've just taken the mandate broadly. We've had a lot of inbound interest on the company, and it's increasing, and it became, you know, for us, something that we felt it was our responsibility to announce, and that's what we did.

Robert Young

Okay. Thanks for that color.

Charles Salameh

Sure.

Robert Young

Digging a little bit into the pricing pressure, you already suggested it was related to specific areas. I think, you know, in UCaaS. I missed the other parts. Is this where bundling has not been a factor? I think you said that there was strong demand in the U.S. Is the pricing pressure outside of the U.S.?

Charles Salameh

No, no. The pricing pressure is across the UCaaS portfolio as a point solution. The way you stave off commoditization when you have that is you move into value proposition that blends a commoditized offering with a better premium offering or a better value proposition. The bundling strategy is our way. We always knew pricing compression was coming. I mean, when I joined the company in 2023, I joined it knowing full well that over the next two years we're gonna be in a commoditization cycle. There were too many UCaaS players out there. What Sangoma had that was different than everybody else is that it had voice, data, video security, and its own proprietary hardware. Moved the company towards bundling, which we took us two years to kinda get the transformation enabled to make that happen.

Charles Salameh

Launched that in July, which was the beginning of this fiscal year. Logged 11 million of TCV in the first two quarters, more coming this quarter, more coming next quarter. Those deals have a very different business model than selling point solution UCaaS by itself. The timing of revenue between selling a point solution of UCaaS at a super high margin by itself is way different than selling a bundle, which gets rolled out over eight-12 months, depending on the speed of the client's ability to execute. It's getting the timing right of dealing with commoditization while executing the bundle that we're still, I'm just being honest with you, still struggling to pinpoint how to land a plane in every 90-day cycle to meet these quarterly numbers, you know, at such a tight rein. It's just hard to do.

Charles Salameh

It's always been that way for anyone that plays in this space, until you get volume. As we go into 27 and 28, you know, every quarter, we begin to understand better how to realistically time the revenue drop from the time of revenue contracted.

Robert Young

Great. Okay. The churn number, it's still very impressive. You noted there was a lot of large expansions, and so a net revenue retention or net dollar retention number I would think would be very high this quarter. I know you don't give that number, but was it abnormally high this quarter? Maybe if you just talked about whether the, you know, the channel go-to-market strategy, is that driving some of this expansion activity with these large customers?

Charles Salameh

Yeah. Not yet. It's just starting to. First of all, on churn, you know, Jeremy and the team have just done an outstanding job of, and that's certainly from his background of focusing on customer service. If you're gonna get into these bundles, you're gonna become the virtual CIO for your customer. In order to maintain and retain that customer, you've gotta have some degree of trust built up through good service and good support. Between Jeremy and Joel Kappes, our Chief Client Officer, they've driven that number down, including bringing in AI technologies in to better help us understand our client base and get them through, you know, the pre, the pre 2023, I guess, Sangoma. That had some challenges and that caused a lot of this churn to kinda go through the system.

Charles Salameh

On the bundling side, now that we're landing these larger contracts, there's a kind of phase 2, right? First land the contracts, now we're gonna invest heavily into account expansion. We really couldn't do that until we got a bunch of these contracts in that were bundle aware. Part of this reallocation that Larry had talked about, we're actually moving six bodies into the account expansion team. It's part of that investment and reallocation. Mining one of the core value capabilities of Sangoma is its 100,000 plus customers. We really haven't got into harvesting them well. We now have a great leader who's running that for us.

Charles Salameh

We're putting more resources towards that, and we have a portfolio that has a good customer sat and NPS score attached to it that makes it a little easier for us to sell more features, more services, more capabilities to that base. You've got these two plays, new logo acquisitions going after large new contracts on these five-year terms that are more infrastructure-based, then moving them over to a farming function to allow for account expansion because the company is now ready to do so. Just like I said, those things are both moving into full motion, really this quarter and kind of going into 2027.

Robert Young

Okay. Last question. Just the infrastructure, if you could just clarify what that means when you say that I think of hardware like session border controllers and such?

Charles Salameh

No, infrastructure, just think about it simply, right? Think about like a layer cake. The bottom of the layer cake is the voice network. It's kinda A to Z countries, it's global, and it moves voice traffic. It carries voice traffic on a wholesale model. We sell it to ISVs, ISPs, carriers, those kinds of people, and then they move traffic, voice traffic across these networks. More increasingly, we're gonna start to see more agent traffic moving back and forth, communicating with humans. Agents communicating with humans communicating with humans over voice traffic. The next layer above that is the infrastructure of data, mostly North American-based. It's our own network. It's really more machine to machine application traffic that moves across these networks, internet traffic, that type of stuff.

Charles Salameh

It's got security embedded on top of that, and that carries, you know, mostly data traffic, and then I think in the future, agent to agent communication. These two layers we call infrastructure in the simplest terms. It's just carrying traffic that used to be primarily humans. Increasingly, we're gonna start seeing more agent traffic 24/7 days a week, consuming more of those network infrastructures and hopefully commanding more of a premium price than what traditional human to human conversations would get.

Robert Young

Yeah. Just for clarity on those are absolutely services businesses. They're not hardware.

Charles Salameh

That's right.

Robert Young

It's, you know, recurring services or reoccurring services for usage on those, on those platforms.

Charles Salameh

The data networks, for example, can be five-year contracts, three-year contracts on average. The voice ones are recurring revenue generally on a yearly basis. So very, very high quality revenue that is very consistent. Once you get agent traffic on these networks, it's very hard to get off. It's going to be a very sticky business and continue to be so, as long as you don't have the customer hate you, which is why NPS and CSAT are so important to us.

Robert Young

Very interesting. Thanks for that. I'll pass the line.

Charles Salameh

Okay.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session and today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-05

Sangoma Announces Date of Third Quarter Fiscal 2026 Financial Results and Conference Call

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TORONTO, May 04, 2026--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sangoma Technologies Corporation (TSX: STC; Nasdaq: SANG) ("Sangoma" or the "Company"), a trusted industry leader uniquely offering businesses a choice of on-premises, cloud-based, or hybrid Communications as a Service solutions, today announced that it expects to release its third quarter fiscal year 2026 results after markets close on Wednesday May 13, 2026. In addition, the Company will host a conference call on Wednesday May 13, 2026 at 5:30 PM Eastern Time to discuss the results. The dial-in number for the call is 1-833-752-3740 (International +1-647-846-8617). Participants are requested to dial in 5 minutes before the scheduled start time and ask to join the Sangoma Technologies call. About Sangoma Technologies Corporation Sangoma (TSX: STC; Nasdaq: SANG) is a leading business communications platform provider with solutions that include its award-winning UCaaS, CCaaS, CPaaS, and Trunking technologies. The enterprise-grade communications suite is developed in-house; available for cloud, hybrid, or on-premises setups. Additionally, Sangoma provides managed services for connectivity, network, and security. A trusted communications partner with over 40 years on the market, Sangoma has over 2.7 million UC seats across a diversified base of over 100,000 customers. Sangoma has been recognized for nine years running in the Gartner UCaaS Magic Quadrant. As the primary developer and sponsor of the open source Asterisk and FreePBX projects, Sangoma is determined to drive innovation in communication technology continuously. For more information, visit www.sangoma.com. View source version on businesswire.com: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260504282597/en/ Contacts Sangoma Technologies Corporation Larry Stock Chief Financial Officer [email protected]

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Sangoma Technologies Corp (SANG) Q2 2026 Earnings Call Highlights: Strong MRR Bookings and ...

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This article first appeared on GuruFocus. Revenue: $51.5 million, up 1.2% sequentially. Service Revenue: Grew 1% sequentially. Adjusted EBITDA: $8.3 million with 16% margins. Free Cash Flow: $8 million or $0.24 per fully diluted share. MRR Bookings Growth: Up 67% sequentially and 60% year-over-year. Churn Rate: Improved, with blended churn holding just under 1%. Net Cash from Operating Activities: $10.1 million, 122% conversion rate from adjusted EBITDA. Gross Margin: Improved to 74% from 72% in the previous quarter. Debt Reduction: Retired an additional $5.2 million in debt during the quarter. Cash Position: $17.1 million, up 27% from June 30. Guidance for Fiscal '26: Revenue of $205 million to $208 million, adjusted EBITDA margin of 17% to 18%. Warning! GuruFocus has detected 2 Warning Sign with SANG. Is SANG fairly valued? Test your thesis with our free DCF calculator. Release Date: February 04, 2026 For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript. Sangoma Technologies Corp (NASDAQ:SANG) reported one of its strongest booking quarters in recent history, indicating that its go-to-market strategy is gaining traction. The company achieved sequential revenue growth of 1.2% and service revenue growth of 1%, reflecting the early impact of improving bookings momentum. Adjusted EBITDA was $8.3 million with a 16% margin, and the conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow was strong at over 120%. Sangoma Technologies Corp (NASDAQ:SANG) saw a significant increase in MRR bookings, up 67% sequentially and 60% year-over-year, driven by larger, more complex mid-market opportunities. The company reported a sequential improvement in churn rate, with retention remaining excellent and blended churn holding just under 1%. Despite sequential revenue growth, revenue was 2% lower year-over-year on a like-for-like basis, excluding revenue from VoIP Supply. The company anticipates some quarterly volatility as it engages with larger mid-market opportunities, which may affect short-term financial performance. Sangoma Technologies Corp (NASDAQ:SANG) faces challenges in maintaining consistent revenue growth due to the timing and complexity of larger strategic deals. There is a need for continued investment in churn reduction and customer retention strategies to maintain low churn rates. The company is navigating a competiti...

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Sangoma Technologies Reports Wider Loss, Lower Revenue for Fiscal Second Quarter; Fiscal 2026 Outlook Updated

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Sangoma Announces Second Quarter Fiscal 2026 Results

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Company Delivers Sequential Revenue Growth, Strong Cash Flow from Operations and Narrows Fiscal 2026 Guidance TORONTO, February 04, 2026--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sangoma Technologies Corporation (TSX: STC; Nasdaq: SANG) ("Sangoma" or the "Company"), a trusted industry leader uniquely offering businesses a choice of on-premises, cloud-based, or hybrid Communications as a Service solutions, today announced its second quarter financial results and unaudited condensed consolidated interim financial statements for the three and six month periods ended December 31, 2025. All amounts are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise stated. "Our second quarter results demonstrate continued progress and disciplined execution across the business," said Charles Salameh, Chief Executive Officer. "We delivered sequential revenue growth consistent with our expectations, generated strong cash flow from operations, and posted a solid bookings quarter, all while maintaining a focused approach to profitability and capital discipline. As we move into the second half of Fiscal 2026, we remain focused on executing against our operating plan, strengthening our software and services mix, and supporting our customers and partners. While we continue to operate in a dynamic market environment, the consistency we are seeing in bookings, churn, and cash generation gives us confidence in our ability to deliver continued sequential progress and market optionality to scale the business." Second Quarter of Fiscal 2026 Highlights: Revenue at $51.5 million grew sequentially by 1% compared to last quarter, in line with the Company's expectations. Excluding $6.4 million of revenue from VoIP Supply, LLC ("VS"), which was strategically sold to exit low-margin, non-recurring resale activity, revenue was 2% lower year-over-year on a like-for-like basis. The Company saw a 60% increase in MRR bookings year-over-year, supporting the Company's growth initiatives. Gross profit of $38.2 million representing 74% of total revenue, up from 72% in last quarter, driven by the shift toward higher-margin recurring services. Operating expenses1 were $40.0 million, an increase of $1.5 million or 4% over the previous quarter, reflecting an increase in commissions paid on bookings as the Company saw growth in large bookings during the quarter. Net Loss of $2.0 million ($0.06 loss per share fully diluted) compared to a Net Lo...

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Sangoma Technologies Q2 Earnings Call Highlights

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Sangoma reported Q2 revenue of $51.5 million with improved gross margin (74%) and adjusted EBITDA of $8.3 million, while generating $10.1 million of operating cash (122% conversion) and free cash flow of $8.0 million. Management highlighted strong bookings momentum — MRR bookings grew 67% sequentially and 60% YoY, large strategic TCV reached $10.8 million in H1, and starting backlog for Q3 was up ~125%, supporting better visibility into the back half of the year. Sangoma continued capital returns and deleveraging (repurchasing ~196,000 shares in Q2 and retiring >700,000 shares total, debt down to $37.6 million), and tightened FY26 guidance to $205–208 million revenue and 17–18% adjusted EBITDA margin. Interested in Sangoma Technologies Corporation? Here are five stocks we like better. Sangoma Technologies (NASDAQ:SANG) reported fiscal second-quarter 2026 results that management said tracked “right to plan,” supported by one of the company’s strongest booking quarters in recent history and sequential revenue growth. The quarter ended December 31, 2025. Chief Executive Officer Charles Salameh said the results reflected early traction from the company’s go-to-market strategy and investments made to position the business for growth. He highlighted improving bookings momentum, sequential growth in service revenue, and strong cash generation, while reiterating a focus on moving further into larger, multi-site mid-market opportunities. → AMD’s Post-Earnings Dip Looks Like the Buying Window Bulls Wanted Total revenue in the quarter was $51.5 million, up 1.2% sequentially, consistent with the expectation management outlined previously. Chief Financial Officer Larry Stock noted that services represented 92% of total revenue and grew 1% sequentially, driven by higher cloud services revenue. Gross profit was $38.2 million and gross margin improved to 74%, compared to 72% in the first quarter and 68% in the prior-year period. Stock attributed the margin improvement to a more favorable revenue mix and continued strength in recurring services. → The New Defense Prime: Ondas Buys the Kill Chain Adjusted EBITDA was $8.3 million, or 16% of revenue, consistent with the prior quarter. Stock said commissions were higher in Q2 due to several large contracts booked during the period, which he described as a “healthy sign of commercial productivity.” Cash generation was a central t...

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FY2026 Q2 earnings call transcript

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Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to Sangoma's Second Quarter Fiscal 2026 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] and the conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Samantha Reburn, Chief Legal Officer. Please go ahead, Ms. Reburn.

Samantha Reburn

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Sangoma's second quarter of fiscal year 2026 investor call. We are recording the call, and we will make it available on our website for anyone who's unable to join us live. I'm here today with Charles Salameh, Sangoma's Chief Executive Officer; Jeremy Wubs, Chief Operating Officer; and Larry Stock, Chief Financial Officer. Charles will provide a high-level overview of the quarter. Jeremy and Larry will then take you through the operating results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2026, which ended on December 31, 2025. Following their presentation, we will open the floor for Q&A with analysts. We will discuss the press release that was distributed earlier today, together with the company's financial statements and MD&A, which are available on SEDAR+, EDGAR and our website. As a reminder, Sangoma reports under International Financial Reporting Standards, IFRS. And during the call, we may refer to terms such as adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, which are non-IFRS measures that are defined in our MD&A. Before we start, I'd like to remind you that the statements made during the course of this call that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements regarding the company or management's intentions, estimates, plans, expectations and strategies for the future. Because such statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are discussed in the accompanying MD&A, unaudited condensed consolidated interim financial statements, our annual information form and the company's annual audited financial statements posted on SEDAR+, EDGAR and our website. With that, I'll hand the call over to Charles.

Charles Salameh

Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us. I'm pleased to report that fiscal Q2 tracked right to plan, including one of our strongest booking quarters in recent history. This is a clear indication that our go-to-market strategy is gaining traction and that the investments we've made in positioning Sangoma for growth are starting to show tangible results. As we outlined last quarter, Q2 would show sequential revenue growth, and we delivered on that expectation. Revenue for the quarter was $51.5 million, up 1.2% sequentially. And importantly, service revenue grew 1% -- this is an important signal as it reflects the early impact of improving bookings momentum beginning to translate into recurring revenue growth. We delivered $8.3 million in adjusted EBITDA with 16% margins and conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow was very strong at more than 120%. This continues to reinforce quality, consistency and discipline of our earnings model. And as a result, free cash flow improved sequentially to $8 million or $0.24 per fully diluted share. Now building on the KPIs we introduced last quarter, we're starting to see sustained progress in our mid-market strategy. Pipeline conversions remain solid, our bookings profile continues to improve, and we're seeing growing traction across our verticals and our wholesale motions. Collectively, these trends highlight the increasing effectiveness of our platform approach and our ability to execute at larger scales. With regard to pipeline, our pipeline remained steady in Q2, reflecting a healthy balance between new opportunity creation and deal conversion. Importantly, we're continuing to see improvements in our close rates, which reinforces both the quality of the pipeline and the effectiveness of our go-to-market execution. On bookings, MRR bookings grew significantly, up 67% sequentially and 60% year-over-year. As we increasingly engage with these larger, more complex mid-market opportunities, we expect some quarterly volatility, but with a higher long-term value and stronger recurring revenue. This is exactly the type of shift we want to see as we scale this business. On churn, also very proud of this, we also saw sequential improvement in that churn rate. Retention remains excellent with blended churn holding just under 1%. This reflects the stability of our recurring revenue base and the progress we've made in our customer experience, service delivery and platform stability. Now as we continue to execute on our FY '26 priorities, we are seeing momentum across all the business. Our essential communications platform, combined with more focused solution bundles, deeper vertical alignment and a strengthening partner ecosystem is enabling us to compete more effectively for larger multisite and more strategic mid-market opportunities. And more broadly, this reflects a shift in how customers are buying. And we're seeing that dynamic increasingly show up in the structure and the quality of opportunities we're pursuing. The progress we are seeing is not isolated to individual wins, but it's visible in the overall size of the opportunities, the quality of those bookings and the breadth of the customer segments engaging with us on our platform. With our leadership team, our operating systems, our partner programs now firmly in place, we are investing to scale our go-to-market engine. As outlined last quarter, we committed approximately $2 million in incremental SG&A to accelerate pipeline development, customer acquisitions and execute on partner enablement. In Q2, we began deploying these investments in a measured way, focused on building momentum while maintaining strong financial discipline. Our approach to capital allocation remains balanced and pragmatic. We continue to reduce debt and return value to our shareholders through our normal course issuer bid. At the same time, we maintain the flexibility to pursue strategic and selective accretive M&A aligned with our strategy should that right opportunity show up. And before I hand it over to Jeremy, I want to take a moment just to step back and frame how we see the next phase of our business. What we are seeing in the market today, particularly in the mid-market, continues to reinforce the direction that we've been intentionally pursuing over the past several years. Customer expectations are evolving towards fewer vendors, more integrated solutions and partners that can deliver dependable service in industry-specific context. In this environment, scale becomes a strategic priority, not as an objective on its own, but because it supports stronger economics, consistent execution and deeper long-term customer relationships. The key point here is that our ability to pursue scale is now an enabler for Sangoma rather than a constraint. The foundational work we completed has positioned Sangoma extremely well. We have the balance sheet, the operating discipline, platform breadth and the partner ecosystem required to grow organically while also being able to pursue opportunities that expand our scale and momentum as industry dynamics continue to evolve. As a result, we have real flexibility in how we move forward. That includes continuing to execute organically, selectively expanding the platform where it makes sense and maintaining the ability to evaluate broader opportunities as the market continues to mature. Any path we pursue will be grounded in discipline and clear focus on long-term value creation as we have been doing for the past 2 years. And importantly, we've already seen the impact of the foundation show up in the fundamentals, stronger bookings, growing recurring revenue base, improving churn and consistent cash generation. I want to thank this entire Sangoma team for their continued focus and execution as well as the key stakeholders who have been with us through this entire transformation. The progress we're seeing is the direct result of the work being done across the whole company, and its what positions us well for the next phase of our growth. Jeremy is now going to walk you through how the momentum is translating into our go-to-market execution and our booking performance. Over to you, Jeremy.

Jeremy Wubs

Thanks, Charles. I am pleased to provide an update on our go-to-market progress. Building on the bookings momentum Charles highlighted, what I want to emphasize today is how those wins are being driven and why we're confident in the trajectory of our go-to-market engine. As mentioned, our pipeline remains healthy, and we continue to convert a balanced mix of volumetric business and larger strategic mid-market opportunities. During the second quarter, we closed $7.5 million of the $14.8 million in new large strategic deal TCV identified last quarter, bringing our total large strategic TCV bookings to $10.8 million for the first half of fiscal 2026. Equally important, we backfilled the pipeline as we move into the second half. These bookings further validate our strategy as an essential communications provider and our ability to move upmarket. Several of these large wins also include upfront product or NRR components and will contribute to a slightly higher product mix in Q3. In prior quarters, I referenced a number of our go-to-market strategies targeting service providers, MSPs, vertical solution providers and wholesale opportunities. Regarding the wholesale opportunities, last quarter, I talked about a CLEC win of over $20,000 MRR and a comparable deal in our pipeline for a large health care organization of $12,000 MRR. I'm very pleased to confirm that this opportunity, which supports 2 large hospitals and 9 urgent care facilities is now a closed win. We also closed a large multi-location retail customer worth $18,000 MRR that previously had 3 separate vendors for voice, access and managed services. This client was looking for a single provider and value the bundled solution from Sangoma to standardize the technology stack across all locations and ensure scalability, repeatability and simplified support. Our most substantial service win this quarter was a greater than $150,000 MRR deal with a large distributed retail customer with 350-plus locations and a fragmented and disparate business communications environment. This customer was also looking for a single provider to once again ensure scalability, repeatability and simplified support. Beyond these large and strategic MRR wins, our hardware products, such as our prem UC products, phones and gateways continue to contribute to our product revenue as they move through distribution. I'm very pleased that this channel continues to show strength with revenue up 4% over the same quarter last year. We are also seeing strong momentum with our carrier voice and trunking solutions. During the quarter, we announced a contract with Commio, who selected our wholesale SIP trunking solution to support their nationwide cloud voice and messaging footprint. They are one of many new customers that are leveraging our trunking infrastructure, which is up over 10% from the same quarter last year. I'm encouraged by the progress of our go-to-market. We have a disciplined and focused team driving a growing pipeline of volumetric business alongside larger strategic opportunities. These larger deals are being closed, and we will see the revenue impact in later quarters, providing solid visibility towards our growth. I want to extend my thanks and appreciation to the entire Sangoma team. It's truly a team effort for their continued execution and focus on driving sustainable, profitable growth. I'll end here and pass things over to Larry. Thank you.

Lawrence Stock

Thank you, Jeremy, and welcome, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for today's call. Fiscal Q2 landed exactly where we expected, reflecting continued execution across the business. As a result of the bookings momentum in Q2, our starting backlog for Q3 is up approximately 125% compared to the start of Q2. This provides strong visibility into the second half of the year and reinforces the improving consistency of our operating performance. In the second quarter, we generated $10.1 million in net cash from operating activities, representing a 122% conversion rate from adjusted EBITDA. This reflects positive working capital movements as trade receivables returned to historical levels following the timing impact we discussed last quarter related to our ERP implementation. Year-to-date, our conversion of adjusted EBITDA to net cash from operations was 91%, which is right in line with our expectations for the fiscal year. Free cash flow for the second quarter was $8 million or $0.24 per diluted share. Given our strong free cash flow yield relative to the share price, we continue to take advantage of our normal course issuer bid. During the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 196,000 shares. Since launching the program last April, we have retired more than 700,000 shares or 2.1% of shares outstanding. This reflects both our capital discipline and our confidence in the long-term value of the business. We also continued to reduce debt, retiring an additional $5.2 million in debt during the second quarter. We ended Q2 at $37.6 million of total debt compared to $60.4 million in Q2 of last year. This ongoing deleveraging remains an important part of our capital allocation strategy. And as our credit profile improves, it further enhances our flexibility as we think about the next phase of the business. Quarter end cash was $17.1 million, up 27% from June 30. Looking ahead to the remainder of fiscal '26 and into fiscal '27, our capital priorities remain unchanged, leveraging strong cash generation to support organic growth and profitability, continue reducing debt to provide greater strategic flexibility, return capital to shareholders where appropriate, including through the NCIB and evaluate disciplined, strategically aligned M&A opportunities. This balanced approach positions us to drive durable long-term value creation. Now turning to the P&L. Total revenue for the second quarter was $51.5 million, representing sequential growth of 1.2% from Q1 as we had indicated last quarter. Excluding $6.4 million of revenue from VoIP Supply, which was strategically sold to exit low-margin nonrecurring resale activity, revenue was 2% lower year-over-year on a like-for-like basis. As Charles noted, services, which represents 92% of total revenue, grew 1% sequentially driven by higher cloud services revenue. Gross profit was $38.2 million in the second quarter, and gross margin improved to 74% compared to 72% in the first quarter and 68% in the prior year period, reflecting a more favorable revenue mix and continued strength in recurring services. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $8.3 million or 16% of revenue, consistent with Q1. We also had higher commissions tied to several large contracts booked in Q2, a healthy sign of commercial productivity. We expect adjusted EBITDA margins to improve in the second half of fiscal '26 as revenue builds and we benefit from operating leverage. With the first 2 quarters coming in largely as expected and a solid backlog, we are tightening our guidance for fiscal '26. We now expect revenue of $205 million to $208 million, adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 17% to 18%. Achieving this outlook assumes other sequential revenue increase in Q3, and we anticipate returning to year-over-year organic growth once we adjust for the divestiture of VoIP Supply. We look forward to building on these foundations as we move through the back half of the year and into fiscal '27. Before we open the line for questions, I want to thank the broader Sangoma team. Your focus, commitment and execution continue to drive the progress we're seeing across the entire business. We're now ready to open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Robert Young with Canaccord Genuity.

Robert Young

Great. The 67% quarter-over-quarter growth in MRR bookings, I'd like to dig into that a bit. What are the key drivers there? I mean you mentioned a lot on -- in the prepared remarks, timing of larger deals, higher close rates, I guess, the go-to-market biting where you want it to. Maybe you could just dig into that a little more because it's a big number. What are the key drivers?

Jeremy Wubs

Yes. I mean the key drivers, Rob, is really tied to some of those larger strategic deals. We've got a really kind of healthy new partner program in place, and we're seeing some of those bigger strategic partners working closely with us to find larger logos. So some of those logos that kind of I mentioned just a few minutes ago, some of those larger deals are what grew both our pipeline and really our bookings quarter-over-quarter.

Charles Salameh

And those are deals, Rob, has it going, by the way, pal? Those were deals that we started developing early in Q3 of last year and Q4, and they're just now they're coming into fruition, as I was talking about that the pipeline was building with these larger transactions, these multisite locations, and they started landing in Q1 and Q2, and we will see that continued trend going forward and hopefully growing.

Robert Young

And that's my second question is just the trend. I mean that 67% growth quarter-over-quarter, but 60% year-over-year, is that the sort of growth in bookings that you anticipate? Or is there seasonality? Like is the pipeline still shifting towards large bundled deals that can continue to support that type of bookings growth? Or is this just a special quarter for that?

Charles Salameh

No. Well, certainly, we're -- as I've said before, right, we've kind of gone from the transformational phase, which was sort of ending in June into the sort of growth phase. And the booking pipeline will continue to grow as the deals continue to grow. We built the company as I've been saying for 2 years, to integrate multiple components of essential communications to serve the rising more sophisticated mid-market. And the premise behind that was that this mid-market industry vertical is going to be looking for single vendors, lower TCO, top quality service to handle their essential communications. That's what we built. That's where now these last 2 quarters are beginning to show. We never had these size deals before. This is now a new area of business as we take the company. So this quarter and particularly in this first half, the bookings growth numbers are going to be big because we really didn't have it before. We had smaller deals, component selling in the past. So I think we are -- you're beginning to see the proof points of the strategy of integration and the idea of our ability to put larger deals together of components of voice, data, video security and hardware. Prove itself out now because we closed 5 fairly significant deals, and we see more of them in the pipeline going forward in the company. That is where this company is focused. That is our growth strategy. And now we have real proof points that validate the thesis that customers are going to be buying this way.

Robert Young

Okay. And last question for me would just be on the wholesale activity. I think you had 2 this quarter, that you had talked about before. And so that's a relatively new channel, as I understand it. Maybe if you could just go into the opportunity in wholesale and white label a little more deeply and whether that's something that can significantly expand the TAM, grow the -- be supportive of accelerated growth maybe, and then I'll pass the line.

Charles Salameh

I'm going to start with a real quick update on that. So the wholesale channel really is really about these large ecosystem partners, whether it's a carrier, a CLEC or even private healthcare, where you have multiple big hospitals that combine together with an ecosystem of special care centers scattered all over the United States. These infrastructures, these ecosystems are now being realized through our wholesale channel to be monetized, where the hospital themselves, for example, might say, "Hey, we want to have a standard offering for all the special care facilities that are attached to our ecosystem. We want a wholesale price for you for a bundle for a special care center 1, 2 or 3 depending on their size, and we want to make money off of that." Carriers the same way, right? They're buying our packages. They're wholesaling into their ecosystem of residential customers, small businesses that are attached to. So this idea of leveraging our ability to integrate and sell to the retail channel is now being used for the wholesale channel who can then use the lower retail -- or sorry, wholesale pricing to monetize their ecosystem. Do want to add to that, Jim?

Jeremy Wubs

Yes. I'd just add, Rob, there's -- there are 2 big players that were in the industry selling soft switches, right, as well, right? So I mean, Microsoft and Metaswitch and kind of where all that went and then Cisco BroadSoft. And so there's customers that have been on those platforms. They're getting pushed to kind of new business models that don't have the same type of margin that they used to. And we've got a really great platform with our wholesale offering. So we're inserting ourselves into that transformation opportunity. And the 2 examples I gave are examples of that, customers that have soft switches, they're looking for something competitive that still held the kind of margin profile they had in the past. And so they're moving with us as part of that transformation plan.

Operator

The next question is from Gavin Fairweather with ATB Cormark.

Gavin Fairweather

Maybe just to start out on the bundling and nice to see some more examples of bundled wins. Curious how many of your kind of newer prospects are you seeing that are interested in a bundled solution? And how you're thinking about that opportunity in the base? I mean presumably, a lot of the base would still be kind of components selling. Is there a way for you to move in there and really kind of drive greater upsell momentum?

Jeremy Wubs

Yes, that's a great question. I'd say there's 3 things, Gavin, to think about. One, we highlighted a few of these larger strategic deals that were kind of that full stack opportunity like we're seeing momentum and success for those. We're very bullish on more of that showing up certainly in our pipeline over the coming quarters. Second is kind of new customers, and we've reorganized our go-to-market to really focus on that integrated proposition, full bundle sales so that our partners are able to go out and kind of sell that full stack solution versus point solution. So those 2 kind of well in motion part of our plan. And then the third component kind of which you're highlighting is we do have a lot of customers that are single threaded with one single offer. We have a team very specifically that's actually using some new AI tools to examine analytically that base, use data models to look at where within those existing customers and partners, the opportunity to cross-sell and upsell. So that's a motion that the team is running now. We do a bit of upsell, I would say, today, not as much as I would like. But on a go-forward basis, we expect to see a pretty significant increase in the cross-sell, upsell for 2 reasons, one, like we've really put a focused team around it. And second of all, we are using some data models and AI tools to help us target those clients.

Charles Salameh

We've also made it easier just close out part of the transformation, we made it easier through our coding tools to give our partners the opportunity to pick and choose from a menu of different items that they really couldn't do before, and we can present them now on a more concise bill. These 2 components that you've been hearing me talk a lot about were prerequisites to be able to do this a lot of you as more and more partners begin to understand that this tool is now there. There's kind of an easy button to put pieces together, the bundling proposition becomes way more attractive because it's larger commission for them.

Gavin Fairweather

Great. And then just on partner maturity. I know you narrowed down your network of partners to a bit over 1,000. I'm wondering, is the read-through from the bookings that we're seeing that the partner network has really kind of hit maturity and is quite effective? Or do you think that there's further kind of partner enablement that you can do to help get to a new level?

Charles Salameh

I think there's 2 things. One, the continued growth within the existing partner ecosystem because we're far more strategic with them, and we've given them tools to allow them to see the breadth of the entire portfolio of Sangoma. Secondly, there are -- is a much more focused effort on new partners because we've narrowed not only our partners, but we're also narrowing our focus, at least for the foreseeable fiscal year, which is let's go win and dominate in 4 verticals where we're very strong, healthcare, education, retail, hospitality. In those environments, we're actually acquiring new partners who specialize in these fields. And we're also partnering up with from not only a technical point of view, but also from an ecosystem point of view, software vendors who are very much entrenched in these verticals, whether it's Jazzware in and hospitality or QuickLaunch in education that we've had press releases on, where the partner ecosystem will continue to expand, but now with much more precision than we had in the past, where it was just a holistic set of partners who can advocate for us and just sell any one of our solutions, were much more precise. So you'll see deeper entrenchment with our existing narrow down partner group, and you'll see expansion of the partner ecosystem along the vertical lines that I described.

Gavin Fairweather

Maybe just lastly on churn. I did notice the change in language from 1% to just under 1%. I think last quarter, you talked about some nonideal customers churning out that have been on 3-year contracts. I'm curious if a lot of that is now flushed through the system or do you think that churn could maybe move lower here in the coming quarter?

Jeremy Wubs

I think we have a little bit of room, Gavin, to improve. I mean, for a couple of reasons. One is some of the more challenging accounts have kind of moved through the system. The second is similar to what I mentioned before about kind of data models to cross-sell and upsell. We have some new AI tools, again, data models to help us kind of target some customers that might have a higher churn propensity, and we're getting more proactive with those customers to kind of offer more for the same to competitively obviously protect that base and use it as an opportunity to cross-sell and upsell.

Charles Salameh

I don't have a problem just telling you we're putting money into churn reduction, something we can't control, like macroeconomic issues, things that business is shutting down or what have you. We're not seeing that as a major part of our business. But there's also ways we can get proactive with customers, early renewals, things of that nature. And I set a pretty bold target. I want 0.85%. We were at 0.96%. We should be -- we're going to be focusing on trying to push churn down as much as we possibly can. And we've got a lofty goal to try and go after. So it's a very important part of our revenue plan and the way we handle LTV in this company. Because we're going after larger deals, churn is an important metric, and it's a very important priority for me and for, I think, where we're putting our money to invest in this company.

Jeremy Wubs

The next question is from David Kwan with TD Securities.

David Kwan

Just want to clarify one quick thing. Just on the revenue guidance. It sounds like you still think are expecting to grow year-over-year, excluding VoIP Supply starting in Q3 and then continuing into Q4 in addition to growing sequentially?

Lawrence Stock

That's correct.

David Kwan

Okay. Perfect. And as it relates to the product revenue, I think there was talk about expecting some higher hardware product sales in Q3. So should we assume that the gross margins probably are coming down a bit sequentially because of that due to revenue mix?

Lawrence Stock

No, I don't think so. We're expecting our margins to be stable as we get into Q3. Q4, even with -- even if we did have some changes in the mix, I'd expect those to stay stable.

Jeremy Wubs

A bit of the product mix is just coming from some of those larger strategic deals and there's a bit of NRR upfront associated with them. So it's -- we just expect a little bit of a shift. But again, it's really tied to the NRR associated with the MRR business.

Lawrence Stock

That's right.

David Kwan

Right. Perfect. And then as it relates to the growth investments, I know -- I think, Larry, you talked -- or not, Larry, Charles, I think you said in your commentary just about the $2 million, I think, that you guys were talking about last quarter as it relates to the investments kind of go-to-market. And I think it was talking about over the next few quarters, we saw a notable pick up in sales and marketing, which I would have expected, but also on the G&A side. So I was wondering if you could talk about, A, what some of that spend -- what that spend went into? And B, did you maybe expedite that spend level given the uptick we saw this quarter on the OpEx side? And is Q2 kind of the new baseline for -- that we should be basing our forecast off of?

Lawrence Stock

Yes. So it's a combination of things, actually, David. So we did have some increased commissions in the quarter for some of the new bookings that we had. Excuse me, just the timing. We also had also in timing, some tax-related items that hit G&A this quarter. Nothing unusual, and that will fluctuate a little bit as we move forward but not by much. I would expect that we're in line with where we've been and that, that trend will continue for both G&A and sales and marketing. In light of the investments that we've made, I think we'll be right in line with that.

David Kwan

Okay. Great. And just one last question. Curious what you're seeing in the M&A market. Obviously, we've seen some pretty significant downdrafts here on the software market in particular. So curious to see what you're seeing from an M&A perspective as you look at maybe adding some maybe tuck-in acquisitions.

Charles Salameh

Well, when we started this journey 2 years ago, you heard me say this, David, a number of times, the whole idea was set the company up for optionality on what we perceive to be a market that will be under pressure because of some of the extraneous factors, some of them technically related around AI, some of them commoditization because there are a lot of players in the industry. I think it's an opportune time. We're seeing a lot of opportunities in the marketplace, both small scale and larger scale. We're seeing valuations come down. We're seeing our valuation kind of begin to be a little bit more level set with, I think, where the market was 2 years ago, which gives us even greater opportunity to get off our balance sheet position. So -- and we're seeing it across the spectrum, companies of all sizes and scales and of all dimensions that really add value to our platform, whether it's vertically oriented software companies, MSPs, which have really kind of come down in valuation, hardware companies, but we're not really interested in those, but security players and even distribution scale companies of our ilk, right, in the communications space, in the call center space. These are all areas where would be valuable to the platform, given the platform is now integrated and have come down in valuation that we can take advantage of, as I said in my comments, of leveraging scale as a strategic option for the company because the balance sheet is now at a point where it enables us to do so. So I think it's an opportune time the market is providing. I think I've said this before, even said to my Board today. I've seen this movie 3 or 4 times in my career where the industry offers opportunities and those who have strong balance sheets and good financial discipline can take advantage of the discontinuities that are occurring in the industry. And the M&A world is providing that opportunity as we speak. So we're seeing it across the spectrum. And as I said, I think the last couple of days of what you've seen in the market, I think, will continue. It will put pressure on the software industry, and we could take advantage of that.

Operator

The next question is from Suthan Sukumar with Stifel Canada.

Suthan Sukumar

Congrats on the quarter. For my first question, I wanted to talk about the partner ecosystem. It sounds like the -- post all the changes and investments you guys have made, the partner channel sounds like it's humming quite nicely here. Can you talk a little bit about the level of partner engagement and contribution to bookings growth versus your direct sales organization this quarter? And what are some of the metrics you look at to measure performance here on an ongoing basis?

Jeremy Wubs

Yes. Thanks, Suth. I mean a couple of things. I mean the bulk of our revenue outside some of the sort of carrier trunking and other things we do are partner driven, right? So when you hear me talk about the bookings increase, the large TCV deals we've signed, those have all come through partners, really the combination of new, more strategic partners. Some of them are oriented around the verticals that Charles mentioned earlier. And then other just new partners, right, that are enticed by the bundles that we have and kind of getting out in front of their customers with that integrated value proposition. But I would say our partner program from a metrics perspective, it's certainly about are we signing up the kind of new partners, how quickly are those partners quoting, how quickly are those partners getting to win. So we sort of track the, call it, the life cycle of our partners, say, they're the right strategic fit. They are able to represent our value proposition well on to customers and they're quoting and closing business for us. So we keep a pretty close and kind of intimate eye on our partnerships and want to make sure we put all the right partner programs and support in place to help them grow because it helps us grow.

Suthan Sukumar

That's great. For my second question, I want to touch on the on-prem component of your current pipeline. How is that piece trending now? And how do you think about the conversion of that pipeline over the course of this year? Just kind of curious how this is -- how this opportunity is tracking to your initial expectations.

Jeremy Wubs

Yes. We continue to see our Prem UC business, Prem PBX up. It's been up every -- year-over-year every quarter for the last number of 4, 5 quarters, right? We've got great momentum there. We're typically seeing the share come from both Avaya and Mitel. Those are the places we've been hunting, like we're a little more oriented, which is probably not surprising around small, medium business, and that's kind of where our product sits. It drives both our prem solution as well as some of our phones. So it's continued to have strong momentum for us. There is an absolute market for prem solutions out there, certain customers profile, sometimes in government, education and others that want that solution, and we continue to see momentum there. So we're pretty bullish on continuing to take share and grow in that space.

Suthan Sukumar

Okay. Great. Just one last question for me. Just on the -- just overall booking strength this quarter and kind of heading into Q3. How do you guys think about that conversion of bookings to revenues over the course of the year? I mean, to me, it sounds like these are some significantly larger projects than you've dealt with in the past. So it feels like there's more moving pieces than you might be used to, but just kind of curious what you're assuming here.

Charles Salameh

I mean the book -- these types of deals do take time to roll out, like the one Jeremy mentioned that we won this quarter. It's 300-plus locations. There's a deployment of equipment at every location. There's an installing partner that's got to be on site. And you work as fast as you can with the client in combination with them to coordinate, dispatch and install and testing and so forth. And so we've got a pretty good machine running now. Joel Kappes, who runs our provisioning team. We've got a very disciplined, well-trained project management organization that understands how to thoughtfully and efficiently execute on these to roll out and convert revenue drop in the quarters as fast as possible, not only for our sake, obviously, because we want the revenue as quickly as possible, but customers want to move that fast. Once they get their understanding of the value prop that this is going to standardize their network stack, lower their TCO, they want to move fast, too. So you've got motivated customer, you've got a motivated company. And Jeremy and the team have done an excellent job of building the infrastructure, the process, the systems, the tooling, the competencies, the structure of the team to be able to execute on -- because both of us have had lots of experience doing this in our career, executing on these larger transactions. So it's not any more complicated unless you do the -- it's complicated if you didn't do the hard work of what we did in the last 2 years, which was transform the company and get it set up to do just this type of work. We see -- I'll just answer your question, we see revenue dropping pretty consistently from quarters of deals that are done in the previous quarters, right? So there'll be a natural wave that keeps building wave upon wave as bookings go up, that revenue can either drop from deals we may have signed 2 quarters, 3 quarters ago will drop into the quarters. And so our goal is to try and be much more transparent so you can see those bookings coming through. You understand the translation to revenue. You understand the provisioning cycle. And then within 8 months, usually to 10 months or so, depending on the size of the deal, you're going into full throttle for 3 to 5 years. And when you combine that with a churn rate of below 1% or 0.96% where we're at now, the LTV becomes very, very compelling. right? So you take the $11 million that Jeremy talked about, at those churn rates, you're going to assume they churn 3x. That's a $30 million TCV as long as you can keep customer service and all those things up. So that's how we see it.

Operator

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