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Welcome to the Ryman Hospitality Properties first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Hosting the call today from Ryman Hospitality Properties are Mr. Colin Reed, Executive Chairman, Mr. Mark Fioravanti, President and Chief Executive Officer, Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson, Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Patrick Chaffin, Chief Operating Officer, and Patrick Moore, Chief Executive Officer, Opry Entertainment Group.

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. This call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements about the company's expected financial performance. Any statements we make today that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Words such as believe or expect are intended to identify these statements, which may be affected by many factors, including those listed in the company's SEC filings and in today's release. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results we discuss or project today. We will not update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or any other reason. We will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. We reconcile each non-GAAP measure to the most comparable GAAP measure in exhibits to today's release.

I'll now turn the call over to Colin.

Thanks, Jen. Good morning, everyone, thank you for joining us today. We delivered a strong start to the year with results that exceeded our expectations despite the complex geopolitical backdrop. Our first quarter performance reinforces what we've long believed about this company. The quality of our assets, the durability of our business model, and the way we allocate capital delivers superior outcomes for our customers and attractive, sustainable returns for our shareholders. In our same-store hospitality business, we grew revenue and market share and expanded margin on slightly fewer room nights, a clear demonstration of pricing discipline, mix management towards higher-value customers, and enhanced monetization of on-site demand. Results were particularly strong for the assets that have recently benefited from the capital investments. Gaylord Opryland delivered record first quarter revenue and Adjusted EBITDAre.

Gaylord Rockies delivered record 1st quarter revenue. Gaylord Palms delivered record revenue and Adjusted EBITDAre of any quarter in its history. The JW Marriott Desert Ridge also delivered strong 1st quarter results, which, given the seasonality of that market, is especially meaningful for the full-year profitability. Though we've owned this hotel for less than a year, the benefits of our ownership are already evident. A group focus yield strategy resulted in meaningfully higher group volumes, which supported strong outside-of-the-room spending and margin outcomes. Together, this property and the JW Hill Country, which is now undergoing the capital investment that we identified at the acquisition, create a tangible runway for growth over the medium term. I couldn't be more excited about their role in our future. On the entertainment side, demand for live entertainment remains incredibly healthy.

Our Ole Red brand continues to resonate in a meaningful way, particularly in markets like Nashville and Las Vegas, and soon, we believe, Indianapolis. Indianapolis has long been on our radar as a vibrant convention and leisure market with strong economic and demographic drivers and a deep base of country music fans. To that end, we were excited to announce just this week a development partnership with the organization behind the NBA Pacers and the WNBA Fever. This Ole Red development will contribute to the broader revitalization of the downtown corridor between the convention center and the Pacers arena. This announcement marks our third development update this year. Our team remains active in evaluating both organic and inorganic growth opportunities toward expanding our platform and enhancing the value proposition for artists and consumers alike. Looking ahead, the future looks very bright for both of our businesses.

Over the last two years, we've meaningfully improved the growth profile and pipeline for each while continuing to build customer satisfaction and loyalty through consistent execution and focus capital investment. We remain on track to achieve the 2027 financial targets we set in early 2024, and we look forward to updating you on our continued progress. Before I hand over to Mark, let me go off script and say just a couple of things about our team. Our asset management team, led by Patrick Chaffin, I believe is the best in the industry, and our team at OEG, led by Patrick Moore, is firing on all cylinders. Mark, Jen, and Scott and their teams are showing tremendous leadership, and our company couldn't be in better hands. Mark, what have you got to tell us?

Thanks, Colin. Good morning, everyone. I'll provide more color on our operating performance and business momentum before discussing our updated outlook. From an expectation standpoint, we entered the quarter assuming relatively flattish revenue and some margin pressure in our same-store hospitality business, along with softer profitability trends in entertainment, due in part to mix-driven seasonality and a challenging year-over-year comparison. Entertainment performance finished in line with our expectations, while the hospitality business delivered meaningful outperformance. Same-store ADR increased just over five percent year-over-year, more than offsetting lower group occupancy. As you'll recall, the timing of Easter last year resulted in unusually strong group demand in the first quarter, creating a challenging year-over-year comp. High-quality corporate group demand proved far more resilient than lower contribution segments, resulting in higher ADR and higher levels of outside-the-room spending compared to both our expectations and last year.

Banquet AV revenue contribution per group room night increased more than six percent year-over-year, with gains at nearly every property in the portfolio. Our leisure business, while a smaller contributor to the first quarter results, also surprised to the upside. Both demand and rate increased compared to last year, supported by seasonal spring break travel, with particular strength at the JW Marriott Hill Country and Gaylord Rockies. Higher flow-through from growth in room rate and catering business, together with ongoing efficiency initiatives, drove Adjusted EBITDAre margin expansion in the quarter. Looking forward, the leading indicators of group demand remain resilient. The elevated attrition and cancellation activity we experienced last year has largely normalized. Excluding January, which was impacted by Winter Storm Fern, attrition improved year-over-year, and cancellations for the year were essentially flat.

On the heels of record monthly production in December, group bookings activity continued at very strong levels in the first quarter. Gross group room nights booked in the first quarter for all periods increased nearly 27% year-over-year, representing the strongest first quarter production since 2018. Reflecting our continued focus on premium corporate groups, corporate bookings comprised approximately two-thirds of production. Association bookings were also strong, surpassing pre-COVID first quarter levels for the first time, setting aside pandemic-related rebooking activity. As a result, growth in same-store group rooms revenue on the books for all future periods compared to the same time last year accelerated sequentially from six point five percent as of December 31st to seven point six percent as of March 31st.

Across the portfolio, and most notably at Gaylord Opryland, we've invested in food and beverage offerings and corporate meeting space to attract and serve the premium corporate group segment. In support of our capital deployment strategy and the increase in corporate demand for our hotels, we've refined our inventory management approach to make more sellable inventory available through the entire 24-month corporate booking window. Enhancing the corporate mix of our hotels drives higher room rates, outside-the-room spending, and profitability. However, these changes in our inventory management approach create challenging year-over-year comparisons as we move into the prime corporate booking window for 2027 and 2028. For 2027, same-store group rooms revenue on the books is up over three percent compared to the same time last year and down one percent for 2028.

Importantly, ADR growth for both periods is pacing up mid-single digits, and corporate meeting planner feedback and lead volumes are strong. Given this interest, we're confident that we are well-positioned to achieve the booking goals required to enter 2027 and 2028 with our targeted 50 points of occupancy on the books and strong rate growth. Now I'll turn to JW Marriott Desert Ridge, which also delivered a terrific first quarter. Prior to our ownership, the property prioritized higher-rated leisure demand during the peak first quarter period. Under our Group First sales and revenue management strategy, group mix increased by nearly 200 basis points, and group demand grew more than nine percent while maintaining ADR discipline. In fact, total ADR for the property increased nearly eight percent year-over-year, with growth across group and leisure segments, and banquet and AV revenue up 25%.

We expect these trends to build over the next several years as the property grows its share of the meetings market under our group strategy. Supporting this strategy, we completed the 5,000 square foot meeting space conversion in April, which we believe will further enhance the hotel's ability to attract high-quality corporate groups. Turning to entertainment, first quarter results declined year-over-year due to a challenging comparison, seasonality associated with our new business line, and the impact of Winter Storm Fern. Overall business performance was in line with our expectations. We continue to be encouraged by the underlying trends. Both Ole Red and Category 10 exceeded our expectations, with particular strength in Nashville and Las Vegas in the back half of the quarter.

March represented a new high watermark for Ole Red Las Vegas, with the venue generating the highest monthly revenue and Adjusted EBITDAre in its operating history. Finally, I want to spend a few minutes on our outlook. As we noted in the press release, we're raising the midpoints of our guidance ranges to reflect the first quarter hospitality outperformance. Our outlook for the rest of the year is essentially unchanged from our prior expectations, reflecting measured confidence in our business. We continue to feel good about the areas of the business within our control, sales production, pricing discipline, margin initiatives, and execution of the capital projects we have underway. So far, meeting planner sentiment and the leisure guests' willingness to visit our properties has remained resilient.

What gets us to the high end of the range is continued strong near-term group business trends, including normalized levels of attrition and cancellations, healthy in the year for the year production, and strong on-property spending, as well as continued momentum in leisure. The low end of the range assumes some hesitation in near-term meeting planner decision-making, a potential pullback in 2026 meeting budgets, and softer leisure demand, potentially in response to higher gas prices. At the midpoint for the rest of the year, we continue to assume mid-single-digit growth in group rooms revenue and flattish year-over-year leisure performance. Let me make a few comments on seasonality.

For the same-store hospitality business, we continue to expect the third quarter to show the strongest revenue and margin growth of the year, reflecting strong corporate group mix on the books and easier year-over-year comparisons, followed by the second quarter. We expect same-store RevPAR growth to accelerate as the year progresses, especially as the Gaylord Texan room renovation is completed in August. For JW Marriott Desert Ridge, we expect the second quarter to contribute slightly more than 25% of full-year Adjusted EBITDAre. For the entertainment business, we continue to expect the second and fourth quarters to be the largest contributors to full-year Adjusted EBITDAre. Looking beyond 2026, we remain confident in the 2027 Adjusted EBITDAre targets we outlined at our last Investor Day.

Our forward book of business, the addition of the JW Marriott Desert Ridge, and the capital investments underway across the portfolio position us well to deliver those objectives. With that, I'll turn it over to Jennifer to walk you through the balance sheet and capital allocation.

Thanks, Mark. We ended the first quarter with $424 million of unrestricted cash on hand. In addition, we held $27 million of restricted cash available for FF&E and other maintenance projects. Both our corporate and OEG revolving credit facilities were undrawn, resulting in total available liquidity of approximately $1.35 billion. At the end of the quarter, our pro forma net leverage ratio, based on total consolidated net debt to Adjusted EBITDAre, assuming a full year contribution of Adjusted EBITDAre from JW Marriott Desert Ridge, was four point three times. In March, we completed an opportunistic refinancing, issuing $700 million of senior unsecured notes due 2034, and together with cash on hand, redeeming in full the prior 2027 notes.

The transaction was well received and priced through our expectations, extending our weighted average maturity and eliminating near-term refinancing risk through the first half of 2028. With respect to capital expenditures, our full-year outlook is unchanged, and we continue to expect total capital spending for the year in the range of $350 million-$450 million. In April, we completed the Foundry Field House sports bar development at Gaylord Opryland, and as Mark mentioned, the meeting space conversion at JW Marriott Desert Ridge. Also in April, we kicked off the JW Marriott Hill Country rooms renovation, which is expected to run through the first quarter of 2027. The Gaylord Opryland meeting space expansion, the Gaylord Texan rooms renovation, and Category 10 Las Vegas development remain underway. All major projects remain on time and on budget.

Regarding our dividend, it remains our intention to distribute 100% of our REIT taxable income through dividends over time. With that, let's open it up for questions.

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, press star one on your keypad. To leave the queue at any time, press star two. In the interest of time, we do ask that you please limit yourself to one question. Our first question today comes from Patrick Scholes with Truist. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning. Question for you on your Dallas property in the World Cup. You know, it looks like it's about a half an hour away. Are you expecting to get much business from the World Cup on that? If so, how has that been trending? You know, there's a lot of media about FIFA cancellations. Did you have any of those FIFA bookings? Any color in that regard. Thank you.

Good morning, Patrick. This is Patrick Chaffin. The World Cup is gonna be marginally impactful to our Dallas property. We already had a substantial level of group room nights on the books, and we're in a really strong position, but it will help us on transient rate. We will see a little bit of lift there. Overall, World Cup, I think, has been a mixed bag in certain markets, but Dallas is seeing a positive impact, and we should see some on ADR as well.

The fan base, though, in Dallas, Patrick, is going to be pretty aggressive with the England team being playing in Dallas.

Duly noted.

Patrick, good morning. Patrick Scholes, good morning. Any other questions?

Our next question comes from Daniel Politzer with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to go back in terms of how you're thinking about the guidance, right? It sounds like there's a little bit of, you know, not caution, but maybe conservatism is a better word, in terms of how you're thinking about the leisure trends. I know you mentioned fuel prices. Have you seen anything yet or what are you kind of baking in there in terms of how you're kind of thinking about the puts and takes specifically on, you know, as you enter three-two with leisure travel kind of having a bigger part of the mix?

There's no points of caution that are embedded in our full year guidance. Our outlook for the remainder of the year, Dan, is unchanged from what we had at the beginning of the year. We're raising our full year guidance in recognition of the strong trends we had in the first quarter. As we noted throughout the prepared remarks, all the leading indicators are continuing to remain very resilient. You saw attrition, for example, improve year-over-year when you look at the February and March trends. You see, you know, bookings continue to trend upwards on the group side meaningfully. Outside the room spending is good. Leisure performance in from spring break was exceeding our expectations.

There are a lot of, you know, good reasons for optimism, and I think our approach to full year guidance at this point is measured confidence.

Having said all of that, though, I'm sure, Dan, you probably read the two of the four dissenting Fed governors this morning, you know, put out statements saying that we live in extremely volatile times. There could be rate hikes going into the future simply because what is going on in Iran with oil prices could affect unemployment, could affect inflation. You know, here we sit. We've got a wonderful business on our hands firing on all cylinders. There are some storm clouds in the horizon, and we have to be cognizant of that. There is a degree of caution in this. As Jen said, our businesses are performing admirably.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Smedes Rose with Citi. Your line is now open.

Hi. Thank you. Mark, you sort of alluded to this in your opening remarks, but I did wanna ask a little bit about the cancellation and attrition rates that you saw during the quarter. It did look elevated, at least to what you've reported over the past several quarters. Are you saying it was really all due to that terrible storm in January? Or just kind of wondering if you could unpack that a little bit of what you guys were seeing.

Yeah, I mean, essentially, if you look at, if you look at the first quarter by month and you back out what occurred in January during the Winter Storm Fern, attrition was actually lower for the remaining two months, year-over-year. Cancellations, we said in the script, was essentially flat. I think it was about 200 room night difference. It was essentially flat. You know, the trends we've seen thus far in April would continue to support that.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Thanks. Good morning. On the future group pace in 2027 and 2028, you mentioned some of the in-inventory management changes that are maybe having impact on comps. Hoping you could just provide a little bit more color there, you know, and how maybe we should expect things to trend from here. Thanks.

Sure. I'll start and then, and then others can jump in. You know, what you're seeing, in those 2027 and 2028 numbers is really kind of the manifestation of the strategy that we've implemented over the last couple years, as it relates to refining our group strategy to maximize the performance of the hotel. What that really is doing is making inventory available for premium corporate groups. If you think about what we've talked about, really starting several years ago, with, you know, we undertook primary research to really understand, what those customer needs were for those premium corporate groups.

We're now in the process of deploying capital into the various hotels to provide the food and beverage and meeting space, as I called out in the script, Opryland in particular. We're now modifying pricing and inventory management. Really what we're doing there is making sure that we have the right rate, dates, and space available when that premium business is ready to transact, which, as you know, the corporate window is significantly shorter than association and SMERF. It's about two to two and a half years. As we've looked at how we manage that inventory, we've held more inventory available, and that's what you see reflected in those year-over-year growth numbers.

The last piece of this is that we've worked with Marriott to modify our sales incentives to ensure that the sales teams are focused on the right segments that we're trying to sell to, and that they have the appropriate short and long-term goals to ensure that we hit these crossover goals that we have for future years. What you're seeing in those numbers is really the culmination of this strategy to push more corporate business, higher end corporate business into our hotels. You know, in terms of how we get from where we are today to that 50 points and what gives us confidence we can get there, you know, it's really around a number of different points, I would say.

One is that we have the best physical product that we've ever had to serve the corporate customer as it relates to our portfolio, and it's getting better each and every year. Current corporate demand trends are very positive. You know, our corporate leads are the highest they've ever been. They're about 27% above where we were in 2019. Pattern availability is good. As I said, we've been holding inventory. When we look at the data, you know, the shift is already happening. If you look at rest of year 2026, we're up about three points in terms of corporate mix. For 2027, we're up right now about three points year over year, and in 2028, we're up about six points.

We feel like we're in really good shape, and we have the pieces in place to execute this strategy.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Richard Hightower with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning, guys. I guess maybe just to follow up on the corporate booking question. Obviously, trends have been very, very strong. I'm wondering if that is surprising at all in the context of, you know, some of the macro headwinds that have already been referred to and, you know, the jobs market is choppy. We're reading about layoffs in different pockets of the economy. Does that surprise you, or is it sort of a fundamentally different composition of the customer base that would be staying in your properties?

Hey, Rich, this is Colin. Let me kick this off a little bit. You what you're saying about the jobs market, there's a question about how much of the jobs market is being affected by the tremendous amount of capital that's pouring into artificial intelligence. When you look at the underlying strength of what is going on in corporate America today, when you look at where the markets are trading, you know, this morning, the S&P again is at all-time highs. The reason for this is corporate profits are in really good shape. You know, you look at what's going on in the banking industry, you look at what's going on in our industry, it's in really good shape.

The strategy that Mark just talked about, in answer to Ari's question, when Patrick came and sat down with Mark and me some months ago and talked about becoming a little bit more aggressive on cutting these blocks out in 2028, it made a hell of a lot of sense to us simply because of the underlying strength of what we're seeing in lead volumes. Having more inventory to book into in these periods ahead of us at higher rated business makes a ton of sense. I think our economy, we've got this unfortunate noise of what is going on in the Middle East, but putting that aside, our economy is in pretty good shape.

We're betting that for the rest of this year and next year, it's gonna remain that way.

Yeah. This is Patrick. You know, Mark and Colin have both done a great job of outlining how we feel about the bookings and the trends we see there. I would just add to this, that if you just look at on-property actualization of groups, we saw some hesitation back in Q3 and even into October and November. As we entered December, we started to see that hesitation to spend abate. That has continued as we've moved through the first quarter. I would tell you that as we went into the 1st quarter, we were hesitant, but meeting planners have shown up in a major way and spent very well on property, and that seems to be continuing.

We are growing in our confidence that the groups that are traveling to our hotels are in a mindset of feeling comfortable enough to proceed with their programs at the levels that they originally anticipated.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. On OEG, it seems like every quarter now we're talking about a new development or operating contract for the business. I'm just curious how you're thinking about EBITDA growth of that business over the next two years and when you'll consider making some of the additions to management structure that you've discussed as being, you know, prerequisites for a potential spend.

You wanna take it?

Sure. In terms of growth, we have perhaps the most robust pipeline of confirmed growth that we've ever had as a business. We've continued to make some additions from an organizational standpoint in terms of talent and capabilities, including a new COO and a new CMO in the last sort of 18 months. We've added some great expertise in festivals and amphitheaters, and for the artist partnerships, we've added some strength and talent and capabilities there as well. We'll continue to look at expansion and capacity and capability from an organizational standpoint, and we're also working in terms of technology and adding to our tech stack overall for the entertainment business. Really excited about what the future holds over the next two or three years.

We put dedicated design and construction folks within the business to, you know, deal with this volume of growth. It's good stuff. It's exciting stuff.

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Katz with Jefferies.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for, thanks for taking my question, and all the information so far. I wanted to just talk about Marriott Desert Ridge. I know you talked about it a little bit, but, you know, I noticed in the guide you're sort of pushing those numbers just to, you know, slightly higher for this year. Does that sort of change your long-term, you know, underwriting view on it? Is that how we should take this? I know there's been some discussion about some capital going in there. An update and some perspective there would help. Thank you.

I think we were very pleased with the outperformance from Desert Ridge in the first quarter. We outlined our group forward strategy relative to the property's prior, more leisure-focused strategy. We talked about the fact that spring break there outperformed our expectations, we're happy to be able to flow that through. I think our expectations for the remainder of the year for Desert Ridge, again, compared to, you know, what we thought when we set our initial guidance is a little unchanged. It's a little bit of flowing through what we saw in terms of good performance during the first quarter. That's nothing to sneeze at. That first quarter is, you know, over 40% of the annual contribution for that property's annual profitability.

I would also say when we acquired this property, you know, three quarters ago now, we, you know, had talked about being able to buy down that multiple, what our expectations at that point were for our first full year of ownership, and we're right on track, I think, with those financial expectations. In terms of the longer term outlook, you know, I know us as a management team continue to be very confident about that, and Patrick, you may want to weigh more on that.

I mean, you know, we're in our first year of owning and operating this hotel, you know, we are developing and further refining what we wanna do from a capital perspective. We don't see a massive need for capital. This hotel was in great shape, it's just about continuing to tweak and meet the needs of the meeting planner. You know, we've talked about, we've converted some space into usable meeting space, and that's been received very, very well already. We'll continue to tweak and refine what we're gonna do there long term, but it's not gonna be a massive strain or suck on our capital needs.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Hey, thank you. Just wanted to come back to the strong bookings growth for the first quarter. How much of that would you say was higher conversion of existing leads, effectively planners getting off of the sidelines, versus easy comps last year? Then maybe for my follow-up, could you speak to the underlying drivers of outperformance in Nashville? Thank you.

Hey, yeah. A couple comments I would make. Number one, our first quarter is coming off of an extremely strong December, the strongest December that we've ever seen in terms of production. The fact that we're seeing that continue through the first quarter and even into April is a strong indicator that group is on a upward trajectory. We are heavily focused on acquisition business. That's probably about 30% of what we book into the hotels in any given quarter. We're bringing in a lot of new business as well as all the strong multi-year rotational business. Yeah, a little bit easier comp, but that comp is really easier when you compare it to second quarter of last year when the tariff announcements and everything like that had really started to materialize in cancellations.

I would say there's not necessarily an easy comp, just continued growth both on the acquisition front as well as strengthening group dynamics.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jay Kornreich with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks very much. You put a clear focus on investing and improving the portfolio with many ongoing CapEx opportunities. I just wanted to ask about incremental portfolio, you know, CapEx opportunities you can do. You've previously discussed potential for adding rooms at the Gaylord Rockies, I think the JW Hill Country as well. I just wanted to see if there's an update on timing for any of those or even similar projects.

Do you want to take it or?

Sure. Yeah, you already hit it right on the head. We are definitely interested in expanding Gaylord Rockies, and we're working through some opportunities at the local level there before we can proceed with that, but are excited to be able to add to that property at some point in the near future. Hill Country is definitely something we're studying and looking at, and working to continue to refine that property, but there's definitely an expansion opportunity there. I would tell you that, we're continuing to look at Gaylord Texan as a potential expansion opportunity. Beyond that, we have multiple opportunities to make marginal tweaks, whether it's repositioning food and beverage, or adding a little bit of space here and there. We have a target-rich environment for additional expansion and investment opportunities across the portfolio.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Hi, thanks. I think you talked to confidence in hitting the 2027 targets you had laid out in 2024. As, as we're about the midpoint here and look back at some of the drivers of that outlook, what are some of the biggest surprises, both, you know, maybe positive and negative, to consider in each segment and any reason to believe that those growth rates have evolved relative to the one you actually had outlined them? Thank you.

I think relative to our, the assumptions that we made, when we put that together in 2024, probably the biggest difference between our performance and what we planned is really the acquisition of Desert Ridge, and the expansion of the Rockies. While we're still working through that expansion, and I think we're getting very close to actualizing it, we had assumed that it would be completed prior to 2027, it was in that 2027 number. I think that as we look at, as we look at how our same store business has performed, it's performed frankly admirably.

Relative to our expectations. Particularly as you look at how the corporate customer has responded to the activities and the capital that we've deployed, that we talked about a little bit earlier. You know, you see the rate growth that we've actualized as well as the rate growth that's on the books, and the level of bookings that we're achieving, it really all flows back to that focus on that corporate customer. Frankly, I think it surprised us a little bit to the upside.

Entertainment, Mark, is tracking pretty much as we thought, back then.

Yeah. I think, I think entertainment actually.

Yeah.

in the pipeline than I think we've laid out.

Right.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Herring with Green Street. Your line is now open.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. With the change in your group booking strategy, can you quantify the target mix shift in terms of corporate group relative to association and SMERF relative to historic levels? How are you thinking about the risk profile of your forward bookings from targeting more of these corporate groups, given the shorter booking windows that you mentioned earlier?

Yeah. I think it's important, you know, for everyone to realize that what we're talking about is, we're talking about a few points of occupancy here. We're refining and turning the dial, you know, where we might, you know, settle in where we're three, four, five points higher in terms of corporate versus association and SMERF. It's really about raising the level of customer, not only in the corporate business, but also in SMERF and association. All groups are not created equal, so it's really about moving up the rate scale and driving premium customers across all three of those. This is not I don't think it's gonna create a significant amount of incremental volatility, right, in our performance.

The other thing I would say is that, you know, these are contracted room nights. If you look back historically to, say, the 2009 recession, where we had a high level of cancellations, we also had a high level of collection fees, which obviously helps mitigate, you know, mitigate the lost profitability. We feel very comfortable in making this shift and driving yield and not materially changing the volatility of our earnings.

The risk.

The risk, yeah.

Just to accentuate your point, collections of cancellation fees on corporate are usually easier to collect than they are with association and SMERF because it doesn't create a financial risk or danger for the overall organization. Corporate pays pretty quickly and with very little negotiation. Okay.

Thank you.

Angela, do we have any more folks in the queue, or is that it?

We have no additional questions at this time.

Okay. Well, we will thank everyone for their participation this morning, and upward and onward. Thank you very much. Angela, thank you.

Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Ryman Hospitality Properties Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from Ryman Hospitality Properties are Mr. Colin Reed, Executive Chairman; Mr. Mark Fioravanti, President and Chief Executive Officer; Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Patrick Chaffin, Chief Operating Officer; and Mr. Patrick Moore, Chief Executive Officer, Opry Entertainment Group. This call will be available for digital replay. The number is 1 (800) 688-9445 with no conference ID required. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Good morning. Thank you all for joining us today. This call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements about the company's expected financial performance. Any statements we make today that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Words such as believes or expects are intended to identify these statements, which may be affected by many factors, including those listed in the company's SEC filings and in today's release. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results we discuss or project today. We will not update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or any other reason. We will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. We reconcile each non-GAAP measure to the most comparable GAAP measure in exhibits to today's release. I'll now turn it over -- I'll now turn the call over to Colin.

Thanks, Jen. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. We're pleased to report full year results above the midpoints of our guidance ranges and for the Entertainment segment as well as AFFO and AFFO per share above the high end of our guidance ranges. The fourth quarter came in ahead of our expectations at the start of the quarter due to strong reception for our holiday programming in our hotel portfolio and better-than-expected volumes in our downtown Nashville entertainment venues. Looking back at how we expected '25 to play out when we first provided guidance a year ago, our results, excluding the JW Desert Ridge acquisition are almost right on the midpoints of that initial guidance range. To be in the position we sit in today is an incredible accomplishment in what was a challenging year and a testament to both the strength of our business model and the quality of our people. Importantly, we managed last year's volatility while continuing to advance our long-term strategy. Our investments in the portfolio continue to differentiate our platform from our competitors and attract more premium group customers. In our hotel portfolio, we acquired the JW Desert Ridge, an asset that's long been at the top of our acquisition list, which expands our rotational group customer strategy into a new top 10 meetings market and creates opportunity for a second rotational pattern within the JW Marriott brand. Also, we continue to progress our multiyear investment plan for Gaylord Opryland. To date, we've now refreshed about 40% of the hotel's existing carpeting meeting space, and we're nearly halfway through the 100,000 square feet meeting space expansion, which will open next year. Foundry Fieldhouse, the new sports bar development with premium indoor, outdoor reception space will open in April of this year. Our recently completed investments are generating early returns. Gaylord Palms and Gaylord Rockies, which received meaningful investments in 2024, both delivered record top and bottom line performances in '25. And given the rotational nature of our customer base, these improvements are driving meaningful share gains for the portfolio as a whole. For the trailing 12 months through the end of December, the same-store portfolio achieved the highest RevPAR index to the Marriott defined competitive set in the portfolio's history, excluding, of course, the COVID-impacted periods. In our entertainment business, we've continued to expand our growth platform, especially in festivals and amphitheaters. This includes our latest win to program and manage the 14,000 square feet -- 14,000-seater capacity CCNB amphitheater in Simpsonville, South Carolina. Our partnership with Southern Entertainment, who's been producing the Greenville County music festival at CCNB since 2018, helped us build a strong relationship with the city of Simpsonville, and our combined capabilities and expertise offer a compelling solution. This success, in particular, underscores the strength of our platform model. In addition, we are continuing the expansion of the Category 10 brand with our friend and superstar, Luke Combs, with a Las Vegas location opening in the fourth quarter of '26. And with a third location to be developed at Universal City Walk in Orlando, adjacent to the islands of Adventure Theme Park. Early returns on our investments behind Opry 100 continue to exceed our expectations. Programming in October, the official birthday month, produced a record number of shows and attendance, resulting in an all-time high monthly revenue and adjusted EBITDAre for the brand. We expect this momentum to continue into '26 and beyond. Now before I hand it over to Mark, a comment or 2 about what lies ahead. A week ago, I received a monthly report from an outstanding -- from an outside organization comparing returns for publicly traded lodging companies. It's worth highlighting that since our REIT conversion announcement in 2012, our stock has generated a nearly 12.5% annualized return, including reinvested dividends. This represents a rate of return of approximately 2.5x greater than that of our next highest REIT peer over the same period. This is quite an incredible difference. And it got me reflecting about the last 13 years and how we're positioned for the future. It would be my view, and I think those of my colleagues that we're certainly better positioned today to create value than we were back in 2013. At our hotel business, we now own 7 world-class market-leading hotels, which are in great physical shape and most of which we plan to enhance and/or expand over the years ahead to make them even more competitive in the markets that they are in. Over the years, I've heard some members of the analyst community questioning the underlying strength of the large meetings industry, particularly in economically trying times, and there was some of this during the last year's third quarter. But the reality is the large meetings industry is massive here in the United States and the Gaylord Hotels brand has such a small share, but our relationship with the meeting planner is so good, and we believe we can capture more share as our rooms and meeting space grows. And our relative positioning continues to strengthen, supported by our fabulous service levels and our people-centric culture continues to thrive. And from an amenities perspective, we're constantly upgrading, adding sports bars, upgrading restaurants and expanding falls and other amenities. Yes, our hotel business is awfully well positioned as we look to the future. And then, of course, so is this gem of an asset we own that we refer to as our entertainment business that growth characteristics are materially better today than back in 2013. It's quite incredible what is happening to the music we call country as its popularity explodes all over the world and creates the desire for folks to come visit Nashville. Live entertainment is a very valuable asset in this day and age, and we're deeply engaged in figuring out the best possible path to create even more value for our shareholders. Now hopefully, those of you who have followed our company for a while will remember that back in -- back a couple of years ago, we laid out a 4-year plan to the investment community at our Investor Day in January '24. By the end of '26, we expect to have initiated all major capital projects in the plan with the possible exception of the Gaylord Rockies expansion. And we will have meaningfully expanded OEG's growth platform as well. Looking ahead, we continue to feel very comfortable with the targets we outlined then, and we look forward to updating you on our progress as milestones are hit. As we embark on 2026, the period ahead looks awfully exciting for us. And as always, we appreciate your interest and support. Now with that, let me turn you over to Mark.

Thanks, Colin, and good morning, everyone. I will review our fourth quarter results and also provide some color on how we're thinking about 2026. I'll start with our hospitality business. Our same-store hospitality segment delivered the highest total revenue of any quarter and the highest adjusted EBITDAre of any fourth quarter, driven by strong demand from holiday programming and higher leisure volumes across the portfolio. ICE! ticket sales increased more than 14% to a record 1.5 million tickets. The Gaylord National had its best season since 2010, and Opryland and the Rockies had their best seasons ever. In its second year, ICE! at the JW Hill Country achieved the highest guest satisfaction ratings for holiday attractions across the portfolio. Leisure performance at Opryland was a bright spot in the quarter. Both leisure demand and leisure ADR increased year-over-year and record ICE! volumes contributed to strong flow-through. Our group business also performed well. Same-store attrition trends improved year-over-year and sequentially from the third quarter and same-store banquet and AV revenues were up nearly 5% despite lower corporate group volumes compared to last year. Same-store banquet and AV contribution per group room night, a proxy for catering spend per group guest increased more than 10% year-over-year, an indication that once on property groups continue to spend at healthy levels. In the fourth quarter, the same-store portfolio booked more than 1.2 million gross group room nights for all future years. Notably, meeting planner sentiment improved as the quarter progressed, leading to record room night revenue and ADR bookings production for all future years during the month of December. ADR on those December bookings was up more than 10% compared to what was booked in December of 2024. As a result, at the end of December, same-store group rooms revenue, room nights and ADR on the books for all future years were at all-time highs. Looking ahead, our same-store group pace for 2026 and 2027 remains healthy. For 2026, same-store group rooms revenue on the books is up approximately 6% compared to the same time last year for 2025. And as expected, we entered the year with approximately 50 points of occupancy on the books. For 2027, same-store group rooms revenue on the books is up approximately 5% compared to the same time last year, and ADR on the books continues to pace up in the mid-single digits range. The number of new leads and late-stage opportunities also remains near record levels. Let me make a few comments on the JW Marriott Desert Ridge before moving on to entertainment. The fourth quarter results were in line with our expectations. Transient demand increased nearly 10% year-over-year, supported by expanded holiday programming, which we view as an encouraging indicator ahead of introducing ICE! in 2026. The more that we learn about this property, the more bullish we are on its long-term potential under our ownership. Now turning to our Entertainment business. The Entertainment segment delivered fourth quarter revenue growth of nearly 12% and adjusted EBITDAre growth of nearly 13%. As Colin mentioned earlier, the Opry delivered a record quarter behind strong October birthday month programming and attendance. In addition, a strong show calendar at the Ryman and improved volume in our downtown Nashville venues contributed to the growth. Before I turn it over to Jennifer, let me provide some color on our initial guidance ranges for 2026. For our same-store hospitality business, at the midpoint, RevPAR growth of 2.5% implies modest assumptions for growth in group rooms revenue and flattish leisure performance. As I mentioned earlier, groups room revenue on the books for 2026 is up approximately 6% compared to the same time last year. The difference between our pace entering the year and our RevPAR growth guidance range includes assumptions for in the year for the year group bookings, group attrition and cancellations and transient leisure performance. Historically, it's typical for RevPAR growth to actualize lower than the group pace at the beginning of the year. Same-store total RevPAR growth, also 2.5% at the midpoint reflects growth in banquet and AV revenue behind stronger corporate mix and contribution from the new sports bar at Gaylord Opryland beginning in the second quarter. The midpoint of guidance range for same-store hospitality adjusted EBITDAre implies approximately 2.5% operating expense growth or 10 basis points of margin expansion as we continue to work with Marriott to improve efficiencies. The level of macroeconomic uncertainty and its impact on meeting volumes and meeting planner sentiment will be the primary driver of how our actual full year results compared to this initial guidance range. Given the current political and economic environment here and abroad, we believe a measured view of demand is prudent. For the JW Marriott Desert Ridge, the midpoint of guidance range for adjusted EBITDAre reflects our first full year of contribution. The meeting space conversion currently under construction remains on track to open in April of 2026, and we have assumed some modest marketing investment behind the launch of our ICE! holiday programming at the property. And finally, for our Entertainment business, the midpoint of the guidance range for adjusted EBITDAre reflects nearly 10% growth year-over-year on increases in our existing businesses as well as contributions from our recently announced projects coming online in 2026. Note that 2026 seasonality will be more heavily weighted to the second quarter compared to 2025. The first quarter of 2025 is a challenging comparison for both business segments and recent winter storm fern was a modest drag on January results. For the same-store hospitality business, we expect first quarter RevPAR and total RevPAR to be roughly flat and adjusted EBITDAre margin to decline approximately 100 basis points. The Entertainment business, we expect first quarter adjusted EBITDAre to decline by several million dollars. With that, now, I'll turn it over to Jennifer to run you through our financial position and cash flow expectations for 2026.

Thanks, Mark. Starting off with liquidity. We ended the fourth quarter with $471 million of unrestricted cash on hand and our revolving credit facilities undrawn. Total available liquidity was nearly $1.3 billion. We've retained an additional $29 million of restricted cash available for FF&E and other maintenance projects. Turning to the balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, our pro forma net leverage ratio based on total consolidated net debt to adjusted EBITDAre, assuming a full year contribution of adjusted EBITDAre from the JW Marriott Desert Ridge was 4.3x. In December, Fitch upgraded our corporate family rating to BB from BB-, which in turn lowered the applicable interest rate margin on SOFR for our corporate Term Loan B from 200 basis points to 175 basis points. And in January of 2026, we successfully refinanced our corporate revolving credit facility, increasing the size from $700 million to $850 million and extending that maturity from May 2027 to January 2030. Pricing and other terms of that agreement are largely similar to our previous credit facility agreement. Pro forma for this transaction, total available liquidity increased to approximately $1.4 billion. And finally, let me comment on our anticipated major cash outflows for the year. Regarding our outlook for capital expenditures in 2026, we expect to invest between $350 million to $450 million, primarily in our hospitality business. Our earnings release provides more detail on our capital plans and expected project level costs. Regarding our dividend, we are pleased to announce the declaration of our first quarter dividend of $1.20 payable on April 15, 2026, to shareholders of record as of March 31, 2026. It remains our intention to continue to pay 100% of our REIT taxable income through dividends. And with that, [ Bo ], let's open it up for questions.

[Operator Instructions] We'll go first this morning to Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo.

Curious if you can provide an update on your group business mix for the year and how that's impacting your spread between the RevPAR and RevPAR assumed in guidance?

Patrick, do you want to...

Sure. Yes. Yes, we are in a position as we entered the year with a higher level of corporate mix on the books. It's about 3 points higher than last year decline in our other segments in SMERF Association as a result. So that positions us well for outside the room spend as we head into this year.

Great. And then I appreciate some of the earlier comments in the prepared remarks on the RevPAR guide, but hoping you could provide some additional details on the puts and takes as we think about the 2.5% midpoint within the context of the 6% group pace for the year. Just trying to think about some of the headwinds potentially embedded in guide as we contemplate last year's higher initial RevPAR guidance on lower group pace.

Mark, do you want to take that?

Yes. I mean, so typically, when you enter the year, you're typically going to -- by the time you factor in your in the year for the year, your attrition and cancellation in your leisure business, you're typically going to finish the year at a lower average RevPAR growth. And as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, what we're really looking at is a combination of what we pick up from in the year for the year bookings as well as attrition and cancellation. We're not -- I would tell you that our guidance doesn't assume any major shift in what we're seeing in trends. As I said, we are -- in our guidance reflects flattish leisure business. And broadly speaking, what I would tell you is that what it ultimately reflects is what we don't know about what's happening in the economy. When you look at what transpired last year with Liberation Day, tariffs on and off, some of the different political and geopolitical issues that are occurring right now in the economy and how they're influencing our meeting planner sentiment as well as meeting planner trends, there's just not a lot of clarity into how things are going to unfold this year. So as I said in my remarks, we felt like that it's prudent to take a fairly conservative view on demand for the year, and we'll see how it shakes out. And we'll update you as the year progresses on how we're performing.

We go next now to Patrick Scholes of Truist Securities.

Two questions. One, can you share any additional or latest thoughts about possible development or expansion at the Rockies? That's the first one. I'll start with that.

Yes. Mark, do you want to take that one?

Sure. So we continue to work on expansion, as you know, that's an asset that pre-COVID, we were prepared to expand. That business, as you know, has performed extremely well. And we're very, very bullish on that market and the long-term potential of that market. As we've said on previous calls, we're working through a number of issues at the local level in terms of property taxes, et cetera. And those -- that work will ultimately determine how we expand and when we expand. But I think we'll have more to say on that over the next few quarters.

Yes. I think if I may, that hotel this year, I think it's right, Patrick, has the highest occupancy and the demand for group in that hotel is as strong as it's ever been. And I think we're a lot nearer pulling the trigger on an expansion in that hotel today than we were a year ago. I think as Mark said, I think you just got to be a little bit patient with us over the next 1 or 2 quarters, but we really do like the trajectory of this hotel.

The other comment I'd make is just to remind everyone, the investments that we made over the last couple of years, the new food and beverage and the new -- some of the new meeting space, that -- all those investments were made to accommodate an expansion. So from a food and beverage capacity and meeting space capacity, we're prepared to receive additional rooms there.

And those investments are really paying off right now. They're doing extremely well. 2 questions, Patrick.

Yes. Second one, just a little bit more backward looking here. You did have a sizable year-over-year increase in the year for the year cancellations in the quarter. Now granted it was only 5,000 room nights, but what drove that? Was it government cancellation, anything else or not government, but the government shutdown related cancellations?

Patrick?

Yes, great question. Thanks, Patrick. This is Patrick Chaffin. Yes, to your point, cancellations were up about 3,000 room nights, but they were down significantly versus Q3, which is when we saw a lot of the impact of the tariff situation. But they were in line with levels that we saw both in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019. before COVID. So we're not concerned in any way. And if you look at the nature of the cancellations to your point, they were all company specific. There were no macroeconomic concerns or reasons given. Mostly, it was CEOs or C-suite turnover as the primary reason for the cancellation. So not macroeconomically driven and in line with what we saw prior to COVID. So we were not concerned.

And let me remind you and everyone else that we have really good contracts. So when cancellations occur close in, we tend to collect the profitability loss. So our business model is very different to most of the other hotels that you follow.

We go next now to Smedes Rose with Citi.

I wanted to ask you, you mentioned in your opening remarks, significantly better holiday programming results. I was just wondering, do you think you just went into the quarter being conservative given what had happened in '24, where I think it was sort of a disappointing results? Or are you sort of marketing or ticketing differently? Kind of what maybe did you learn this year that maybe can work going forward?

It's multiple things. Do you want to give it a shot, Patrick?

Sure. Smedes, this is Patrick. Good question. We did a lot of research in September to try and understand the mindset of the consumer going into this holiday season. And it was very clear that there was a very cost-conscious attitude and really focused on value as we were entering the season. So we shifted a lot of our marketing to buy early and bundling opportunities and that started the volume of demand on the books early and we really built from there. Once we saw the consumer get on property, they were hesitant. So we feel that we made the right decision in getting them to book early through bundling and special offers. But as you can see, it still generated really, really solid revenue for us. So getting folks on property and getting them exposed to our food and beverage opportunities and other outside-the-room spend really paid off for us. I would tell you that until we see a dramatic shift from a macroeconomic perspective, we're probably going to maintain that same strategy of getting folks in early and booking early and giving them bundling opportunities to do so that they see the value. But we were very, very proud of where we performed this year and have some exciting news that we'll be talking through in July as far as themes for next year that we think will drive even more demand.

Great. And then can I just ask you, you mentioned in your release $23 million of EBITDA disruption in '25. Does your outlook incorporate a certain amount of construction disruption this year as well?

Smedes, it's Jennifer. Yes, it does. We have those projects that are outlined in the release that are continuing on into 2026, largely at Opryland and of course, the rooms renovation wrapping up at the Gaylord Texan as well as a rooms renovation in the Hill Country, JW, that will kick off midyear or post April after the Valero open. So those will have some impact on the results and our expectations for 2026. And we would not expect those to be meaningfully different than what we saw in '25.

We'll go next now to David Katz with Jefferies.

I wanted to just focus on the entertainment business. Mark, I think you may have said in your prepared remarks that 1Q entertainment should be down. Could you -- would you mind, a, repeating yourself just a bit? And two, just giving us some color on the cadence for the year as we think about the entertainment business and what's driving that cadence?

Yes. So in terms of the cadence for the year -- Actually, do you want to Sure.

Yes, this is Patrick Moore. Yes, a couple of things in Q1. One, we had the launch of Opry 100 last year as an NBC special that was a little bit of a spike in March. But most of what you're seeing from a Q1 to the rest of the year is a shifting in concert and concert count across the portfolio, which is much bigger and the concentration in both amphitheaters and festivals in that Q2, Q3 period. So that's -- those are part of the reasons for that shift.

Okay. Okay. And if we could just get an updated view while we have you on sort of how you see the earnings power of this looking out years, a couple of years into the future, where should we be setting our sights on what this business can do as you see it today?

You want me to take that?

Yes, please.

So David, Colin. This business, in our opinion, is awfully valuable. Live entertainment is such a sought-after commodity in this day and age. And I think we see a lot of growth in this business over the next 3, 4, 5 years. And I can tell you that the folks in this room, Patrick Moore and Mark and myself, we spend more of our time fielding inbound opportunities on this business than we do certainly on our hotel business. The opportunity for growth in this business, I think, over the next 2 to 3 years is extraordinary. We think that we will plug in more amphitheaters. We believe that we'll do more category 10s, more Ole Reds. And I think there is opportunity here in Nashville for us to take all of our undeveloped land around the Opry House. And we have, I don't know, 12, 15 acres of undeveloped land there. to do something fairly spectacular for our business in the city of Nashville to accommodate the amount of people that are just pouring into Nashville now wanting to experience country music in its real authentic form. So we're not going to give you numbers for '27, '28, '29. But I can tell you, our Board last week reviewed our long-range plan for this business, and it is very attractive. And we like what we have on our hands here, and we're trying to figure out how we create even more value for our shareholders than we have over the last few years. I know that's a bit woffly, but we've got a lot of things we're working on here, David, and this is an outstanding business.

We'll go next now to Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.

I appreciate the commentary about acknowledging what you don't know about how the macro will play out this year. But I wonder if you could comment on what your business is telling you. If we play back what you saw in the fourth quarter from a group demand perspective for future bookings, are you seeing any changes in booking patterns versus what you'd normally expect for a fourth quarter? Any particular types of customers or industries that stood out positively or negatively?

Sure. This is Patrick Chaffin. Let me hit a couple of things here. First, I'd start with bookings. As far as what we saw in the fourth quarter, I would say the most important thing was we saw an easing in the tensions that had been created by the tariff situation back in April of 2025. So if you think about it, recall that our leads were down about 4% in the third quarter, and we were messaging on that third quarter call that there could be some hesitancy on the part of meeting planners as we move through the fourth quarter regarding forward bookings because of the macro situation. And we were going to watch that and see what would happen. October and November really followed that trend where we saw leads down and production down. But then December, which is the most important bookings month of the entire year for us, came roaring back. And we saw meeting planners relax in their hesitation. And our sales team came through really, really strong with the very best December production in terms of room nights that we've ever seen in the company's history and ADR continued to be strong. So that's a clear indication that we weren't just selling room nights to get room nights out the door, but we were doing it at a growing rate what ended up being a record for the company. So we were encouraged by what we saw develop as we went through the fourth quarter in bookings because it did indicate that the tension around tariffs was starting to ease. We've talked a little bit about leisure. Let me hit that side of the business. We are talking about flattish, but the reality is if you dig into that, leisure is flattish because of the renovations that are going on at Texan and Hill Country and the fact that we have more group room nights on the books. And so some of that group is blocking out some of the transient opportunities. And so when you consider that and you look at the hotels that don't have renovations, they either have more group business on the books or they actually see an improvement in leisure year-over-year. So Group business is moving in a good direction. Leisure looks very, very strong. As we look at spring break, everything is coming in as we expect thus far. We're still early in that process or in that time line, but we see nothing that gives us concerns. And then government is the last thing and I'll hit. There's been a lot of concern around government business. We've been pivoting away from it, and it composes less than 0.4% of what's on the books for us. So we feel like we're in the right group business right now given everything that's going on and our leisure business remains strong. So fourth quarter for us gave us a lot of confidence that we're in a good spot going into this year.

And just talk a little bit about [ Chardonnay ].

In terms of performance?

And just in terms of the mood of the meeting planner because this is what Duane is asking.

Yes. I mean the mood of the meeting planner has remained resilient, I guess, I would say. We went into the month would tell you that winter storm firm obviously had an impact on us, but we were pacing ahead as we started January until we got to that winter storm and meeting planner sentiment remains very resilient and interested in booking forward. So our funnel remains strong, and we feel good about where forward bookings are heading.

Leads are good. attrition and cancellations, really no issues. On property spending is still very good. So the early indicators that we look for, we're not seeing anything flashing yellow or flashing red. It's really just a recognition of the fact that when you look at what's happened over the last 12 months environmentally, it's very difficult to predict where we're going to be tonight after the state of the union, let alone 6 months from now.

Yes. And look, the other point I want to make, and I sort of tried to make it in my prepared remarks is that the folks sitting around this table that have been looking after and building this hotel business, we've been doing this for 20 years. And look, we -- over the period of -- over this period of time, we have dealt so many times with the mood of the meeting planner shifting. Yet our returns and our business and our performance, we sail through that because our relative positioning is so strong compared to those folks that we compete with. And so yes, the meeting planners move may shift in '26 negatively like it did in the third quarter of last year, but our business will be just fine.

We'll go next now to Chris Woronka at Deutsche Bank.

I was hoping to get a little bit more color on kind of how you expect the pavilion, new sports bar, patio complex at Opryland, how that's going to kind of unfold over the next couple of years? And the question really is, is it meant to draw a little bit more leisure in shoulder periods and weekends in addition to being obviously a big amenity for groups? Or just kind of thoughts on whether that helps leisure in addition to group at Opryland.

Yes. Chris, this is Patrick. Good to hear from you. I would tell you that the sports bar is all about seat count. Gaylord Opryland does not -- is not able to accommodate the demand that it has for food and beverage. There are just not enough outlets in that hotel. And so we're adding -- taking the best of what we've learned at Texan and Palms and Rockies, we're building the sports bar as far as the size and the capacity and then putting that events lawn right next to it, 12,000 square foot events lawn so that you have an indoor and outdoor component, and we've added a whole lot of flexibility to it. So you can sell one portion of it or you can sell the entire restaurant. It is a very flexible outlet. And so this is all about adding seat count and giving additional buyout opportunities to groups who want to get their folks together. It is strategically located right outside of the convention center because we know that as folks are coming out of the convention center, they want to go with a group of folks that they've spent the whole day with and sit down and have a beer or a drink, watch a show, spend some time together. And so we feel this is both a leisure opportunity for us when we're in the off-season for group, but primarily a group opportunity for buyouts and just capturing more seats, more demand in-house for Opryland because it just does not have the seats necessary to support demand.

And what I was going to say, Patrick, is that when we have done this before, this is not our first rodeo. We've done this before in other hotels and the returns on investment have been spectacular. It's just that we haven't had one of these in this particular hotel, which is really candidly the most successful convention resort in the United States of America. This year, that hotel will push $200 million of EBITDA out of it. I know we don't break it down in our guidance, but there is not another hotel like this in America. And so we believe because of the volume of consumers in this hotel, both group and leisure, these -- the returns on investment here will be very encouraging.

And Chris, this is the first outlet of a multiyear kind of food and beverage refresh and expansion at Opryland. It's to Patrick's point, it's to increase the seat count to capture demand that is there that we are not monetizing. And it's also to raise the level of food and beverage experience in that hotel as we attract more and more premium corporate customers to that property.

And I would tell you the both with what's happening in the meeting space renovations and the new expansion as well as the sports bar, site visits to this property are revealing a lot of excitement from meeting planners who are starting to lay eyes on this. It's all been a rendering and a promise for the past couple of years, and now they're seeing it come to fruition, and there's a lot of excitement and a lot of energy to get booked into these spaces.

Okay. A lot of great color there. I appreciate that. Just as a follow-up, and this goes back to the entertainment, the OEG, which I agree you guys done a great job of building over the years. Maybe, Colin, a strategic question or remark, I mean, are there any impediments to franchising potentially one of those brands, category 1. I understand the REIT framework, but I think you probably have some room within that if this was something you wanted to do. So any thoughts on whether that's being considered?

Well, it's very interesting. You raised that question. The music of this city, when you look at what is happening in markets like the United Kingdom, you look at throughout Northern Europe, France, Holland, Belgium, Luke Combs will go over and play Wembley Stadium in July, 3 nights sell out Wembley Stadium, 80,000 people a night. You go to Ireland playing Slane Castle, 80,000 people there, goes to Murrayfield in Scotland, plays that stadium, sold out already. That will happen in July. And so the demand for this music overseas is very, very, very high, very strong. And I think our view is that the opportunity to expand the brands that we have built with these iconic artists are really, really good. But I think we would like to -- if we do it overseas, we would want to find a partner that does it on our behalf. So we don't have to set up shop in these countries. But the answer is yes. It's a big opportunity, and it's a bigger opportunity because of the popularity of what is happening to the product of this city on a global basis.

We'll go next now to Aryeh Klein with BMO Capital Markets.

I was hoping to get a little bit more color on the total RevPAR guide for '26. It looks like in '25, RevPAR and total RevPAR kind of grew similarly. And in '26, you have the benefit of a higher corporate group mix component. Why wouldn't we expect total RevPAR growth to outperform RevPAR growth this year?

Yes. Some of that is just the law of numbers, Aryeh, with a bigger base on TRevPAR than it is to RevPAR. Patrick Chaffin mentioned earlier that it's about a 3-point swing. And corporate mix does tend to, as you know, outperform outside the room, but we also can get good performance from premium association and noncorporate groups as well, and we saw that did play out favorably in the fourth quarter of '25 as well. So I think those are the factors to think about when you think about the relative room RevPAR to TRevPAR outlook for '26.

Okay. And then, Colin, you mentioned the potential rotational benefits with JWDR in a new market. Recognizing that it's still fairly early, what are some of the early trends you've been seeing on that front?

Could you repeat that -- the first part of the question?

Just in terms of the rotational benefits with JWDR and having a new market to offer, I fully recognize that it's still early, but just curious what some of the early trends you're seeing there from a rotational element standpoint.

Yes. So with Desert Ridge and Hill Country both in the family now, we are -- we talked about this in the last quarterly call that we had hired a couple of positions that would focus just on that multiyear rotational business, moving them back and forth between the JWs and then JW to the Gaylords. And I would tell you that we've had some good success. We've only had about 1 quarter of having those positions in place, but we booked about 22,000 multiyear room nights that were manufactured just as a result of that JW relationship of the 2 hotels being able to push back and forth to each other or over to the Gaylords. So we continue to believe that there's upside here, and we'll continue to push that really hard.

And Patrick, de facto in what you said, we've aligned the sales organization. So just talk a little bit about that, will you?

Yes. So we have a really strong sales team in the Gaylord side of the house, and we have added resources to ensure that there's more communication and more synergy between the JWs and the Gaylords and that we're taking all the learnings from creating multiyear rotational business across the Gaylords and applying that to the JWs. And that is what we're starting to see gain some traction.

We'll go next now to Dan Politzer with JPMorgan.

First, I want to touch on leisure. Obviously, your guidance reflects a flattish outlook there. Can you maybe talk about what you're seeing across your portfolio, specifically what's embedded in your outlook for Nashville, just given that was a bit of a headwind in 2025 on the leisure side?

Yes. So as it relates specifically to Nashville, Gaylord Opryland has a really solid book of business on the books going into this year. They're in a better position than they were last year. So we see really kind of more flattish because some of that group demand is taking up some of the -- is pushing out some of the leisure opportunities. But this market has sustained a lot of supply increase, but we've held our own and increased our RevPAR penetration, and we see that continuing as we move into '26.

Got it. And then just for my follow-up, I think it was you, Colin, that mentioned the 2027 guidance that you laid out back in January 2024. I mean it sounds like you feel very comfortable with the target there. We'll get an update later in the year. But just to clarify, when you talk about the level of comfort there, does that now include Desert Ridge, which obviously you've acquired [ expos ]?

Yes. There are some, what I would say, kind of ins and outs in terms of our assumptions. To your point, we did not assume Desert Ridge when we made those projections in '24, but we assumed that we would have our rooms addition open in the Rockies. And so if you kind of trade one property out for the other, we are -- we remain well within that guidance range. And I would tell you that depending on whether you include Desert Ridge in or whether you leave it out, you're in the guidance range. It's just a question of whether you're -- where you're at in the guidance range.

We'll go next now to Rich Hightower with Barclays.

I guess as we think about the ranges within the variance sort of guidance parameters, I guess, to hit the high end from where we sit today, let's say, of EBITDA or FFO, is it going to be revenue driven to get there? Is it going to be expense driven? I know you said there's an embedded expense growth assumption of around 2.5%. But what -- just walk us through maybe the different flex points that would bring you to one end versus the other?

Yes. On the top line, I think we've said it in various ways, but it's going to come down to where kind of group lands and all the components that Mark mentioned in his prepared remarks and in some of the Q&A, we've referenced how do attrition and cancellations play out, how do meeting volumes respond to meeting planner sentiment in response to what policy changes may come out of Washington and how that affects the macro. So it's largely on the group side, I think, where we can see driving a lot of where we land within the range of outcomes, particularly on that RevPAR range. From an expense standpoint, the midpoint of our guide assumes that we're a little shy of 3% in terms of operating expense growth. So that feels pretty manageable at this point. I don't think that there are big drivers, I think, on the operating expense side that are going to move it. It's going to be demand driven.

Okay. Very helpful. And then I guess maybe a slightly bigger picture question, but you did Desert Ridge last year. It sounds like that's folding into the portfolio successfully. And I guess as you think about the transaction market more broadly, there might be 1 or 2 assets on the market coming to market this year. It's not a lot, but there might be something in there that might fit within what you guys are trying to do. So talk about maybe your appetite for doing another deal in line with maybe the size of a Desert Ridge, balance sheet capacity, how much could we do there? And what's the appetite, if any?

Yes. Look, I would tell you that we certainly have the balance sheet capacity to do a transaction. We are in the process right now of kicking off some renovation and some enhancements at Hill Country and digesting Desert Ridge. So we're very focused on those 2 properties. If an asset came to market that checks all of our strategic boxes in terms of the quality of the product, the market, the fact that it's group oriented, has the leisure components and it's priced appropriately, it's certainly something we would look at, and we have the capacity to do it. But the reality of it is that when we look across our current portfolio and the opportunities we have to reinvest incremental capital at very, very high rates of return, that's very, very -- that's a very attractive alternative to us. So for us to add a hotel, it needs to be a bull's eye for us. We're not -- we wouldn't look at marginal deals.

Yes. So Rich, just to give you a little bit more color, these 2 hotels that we've acquired over the last 2 years are hotels that we had earmarked to purchase, I want to say, 8, 10 years ago. We've been looking at these hotels every single year. And I don't think that there is another hotel that had -- that we have the same appetite for as those 2. So as Mark said, it would have to be something extraordinarily special. But the great news for us is we have tremendous opportunity to grow. We can grow the ones that we own. I mean 6 of the 7 that we own, we would consider expanding. And then we have an entertainment business that's growing like a weed. And so the growth characteristics of our company are great. We don't have to go to the market and go buy some fancy hotel in a market that really, over time, won't create the value that the existing portfolio will.

We'll go next now to Shaun Kelley with Bank of America.

For Colin or whoever the right person is, I think there's a proposal out there for a potential sphere or a smaller version of it in or around the National Harbor complex. I'm just wondering if you could -- if you've explored that or could talk a little bit about that and what the potential for that might be, especially given how transformative it's been for certain surrounding hotels in Las Vegas.

Well, I think that was -- there's been some chatter in the market about the developer of National Harbor, the Peterson Company. I think I read this partnering with the Sphere organization to do something like that. And if it did, it would be great for National Harbor. And so the answer is we would encourage them, the Peterson Company to do it. But the reality is the spheres are very expensive. You can't build one of these things probably under $1 billion unless it's a real small sphere. And so the issue for us is that we like projects that generate 12%, 14%, 15% rates of return. We would be a cheerleader in Washington.

Yes. And at the right time, this is probably 2 to 3 years off. But at the right time, we would reach out and partner with that organization to create packages and opportunities for us for the hotel -- our hotel and the Sphere to work together and bringing folks in and giving them overnight visitation into our hotel.

Got it. Great. And then back in the prepared remarks, there was a mention around working with Marriott on efficiency. And obviously, I think that was in the context of the margin profile that you're looking for, for this year's guide. But could you just talk a little bit more broadly about initiatives there, what you've been able to accomplish and sort of anything that they're doing on the charge-out rates kind of following the credit card transactions that they're working on and just sort of how your fee structure with them is evolving?

Yes. I would tell you our focus has primarily been -- we've spent about 6 to 7 months of 2025 working with them on procurement as well as third-party vendor contracts, really going back to some of our largest third-party contracts and breaking them down, looking at alternative vendor sourcing and really pushing folks to get the most aggressive and efficient contract in place. Same thing on the procurement side. There's been some changes with Avendra and other outside vendors that Marriott uses on procurement. And we are really pleased with the results of that. On the credit card, we have been told that we stand to potentially benefit. That's not something that Marriott gives a lot of insight onto. And that is within the management agreement that that's something they keep a little closer to the chest, but we understand it is a benefit for the system, and we wait to see what that will be.

We'll go next now to John DeCree of CBRE.

I think most have been answered, but I think I heard a comment about government business. I wanted to circle back to, if I heard correctly, was it 4% or 0.4% of your bookings for this year so far? And then the follow-up, are there any other sectors that your group business might be indexed to? A lot of us are kind of focusing on the technology sector, et cetera. Is there anything that you would call out that you'd have more exposure to than another sector?

Yes. So the comment I made earlier was if you look at the same-store, what we booked in the fourth quarter, government accounted for just about 0.4% of the production. And similarly, on the books, government room nights as of January 1 stood at about 0.4% of our total group room nights on the books. So very small exposure there as we have tried to pivot away from that given some of the challenges there that we've seen over the past year or so. Again, as a reminder, we have less than 5% of our business in any one sector. We're very well diversified as far as sources of our group business. We have been leaning into West Coast tech and fintech to try and grow that business that we see opportunity there. So limiting where we see some contraction on the government side and really pursuing and trying to grow our West Coast and fintech exposure.

We'll go next now to Jay Kornreich of Cantor Fitzgerald.

Just one for me. You mentioned seeing positive momentum from the meeting planners recently. And I was just curious, as you look at the out years such as 2027 and 2028, which have more of the benefit from completed CapEx projects, can you comment just as to how room rate and overall bookings are trending at this point?

Yes. We've talked about '26 is in a great position, '27 is in a good position. And as you look out beyond, we're very encouraged rate -- what the sales team has been able to do by -- we've pivoted our value proposition with all these investments and the sales team has been able to deliver on the rate side. And obviously, rate is more sticky. It's going to stay with us once it's booked. So as we look out into the future years, we continue to see really solid growth as far as what we already have on the books and rate is the major driver of that.

28 rate and beyond is up over 5%.

Yes. We're kind of holding in that mid-single-digit rate growth for '28, '29, et cetera.

We'll go next now to Chris Darling of Green Street.

Colin, in the prepared remarks, I think you mentioned that the same-store hospitality portfolio RevPAR index share is effectively at the highest point it's ever been. I'm curious if you could share what that figure looks like. And then as you look out forward, and it probably speaks to some of the prior questions, but what's your level of confidence in being able to take further share over time? I always wonder if there's sort of a natural upper bound in your ability to push price relative to your comp set.

Yes. Let me talk big picture, and then Patrick will give you the detail. What we have tried to do over the years that have gone by is to create a business, a hotel business that is -- has relative sustainability to it compared to the organizations we compete with. And we do it through a number of pillars. One, the physical product of the hotels have got to be world-class. And we have -- I think we've demonstrated over the last years, our desire to continue to improve the quality of the assets, each asset in the portfolio. The second part of it is the service levels. And the way we sit on Marriott in terms of customer satisfaction and the work we do directly going to the meeting planner, speaking directly to the meeting planner, our organization, not through Marriott, speaking directly to the meeting planner and understanding the level of service execution, and we keep growing that. And then the third part of it is these convention goers when they go to a market, they want to go to markets where they can have fun over 3, 4 days. And so the constant improvement to the -- what I will call the fun side of the stay is something that we have just continued to focus on. And this is why we are spending a lot of money on things like pool complexes, sports bars, improving the quality of the restaurants, music in these hotels. And then it's just the knowledge of the meeting planner itself and understanding it exactly what they want. And it's a combination of these things that build this sort of sustainably this business that is continuing to get more and more market share. And this is one of the things that I feel very, very strongly about. We go through these periods where the meeting planner switches off, the meeting planner switches on. We have an economic meltdown. We have 2 or 3 years of economic growth. But what we're interested in is managing through that noise. We have such a small share of this industry, and we are continuing to take out the customers that we don't want, bring in customers that we do want the higher rated business and building just a sustainable business here, and that is showing up in these RevPAR indexes. So Patrick, that's the precursor.

So to Colin's point, fourth quarter, we delivered an average RevPAR index on the same-store side of 143% versus the comp set. That's a 1,200 basis point improvement year-over-year. So really, really solid performance by the hotels and stealing share. Full year, our RevPAR for the same-store against the comp set finished at 127%. That's an increase of 610 bps year-over-year and even an increase of 410 bps versus 2023. to Colin's point, we continue to invest to enhance the value proposition. We increase our distribution that allows us to capture more multiyear rotational business and a greater share of each individual meeting planner's total book of meetings business, and that's how we'll continue to steal share.

And that's why there's no upper bound because the product -- we continue to evolve the product and we continue to change the value proposition. So we don't view it as a -- that there's an upper bound on this. We can continue to drive more and more share and take share away from others who aren't investing.

We'll go next now to Stephen Grambling of Morgan Stanley.

This is maybe a big picture question, but how do you think about the impact of AI on the hospitality business, both as we think about demand drivers and/or the makeup what meetings may look like, plus any opportunities you're seeing now on an operational -- from an operational standpoint for potential margin uplift?

Yes. Stephen, this is a question that we've spent a lot of time as a company asking ourselves and asking Marriott and frankly, discussing it with our Board. We had a long conversation about this last week at our Board level. And so Patrick, do you want to just give Stephen a broad outline of the engagement that we have made with Marriott and the areas that we see AI really helping in terms of efficiency.

Yes. I would say that our primary 3 areas of focus are going to be on the sales transaction and efficiency around that. Second, around revenue management with dynamic pricing and just understanding the competition and enhancing our capabilities there. And then finally, which may get overlooked, but is a massive opportunity, labor is over 60% of our total cost. And so the ability to use -- to move away from Microsoft Excel spreadsheets to move away from some of the current systems that are pretty antiquated in the light of the AI revolution and move to AI capable labor management tools we're really focused on those 3 areas. And we are, like all owners putting a lot of pressure on Marriott. Marriott is working to understand exactly what the cadence and pace of their investment and progress will be here. And so it's an ongoing discussion, but those are the 3 areas we're focused on.

The interesting thing about our business, both the hotel business and the entertainment business, the live entertainment business is that they're both businesses that are almost kind of an anti-AI play in that we're going to reach a point where unless you're in the room with someone, you don't know whether it's real or whether it's AI generated. And so much like the pandemic became a tailwind for both of our businesses, I would argue that I think AI may ultimately be a tailwind as well because people are going to value -- they're, one, going to have more time; and two, they're going to value being face-to-face with other human beings in the same room.

Yes. I agree with that, Mark, 100%. And so anyway, Stephen, hopefully, that helps you understand that it is a major focus for us as a company, and we are going to continue to work with our friends at Marriott to make sure that we are an early adopter and that the efficiency of the company just improves here over the next 1 to 2 years. Thank you. Well, I think that's everybody in the queue. So we would like to thank everyone for their participation this morning and upward and onward. And if you have any further questions, you know how to get hold of us here at Ryman. Thank you very much indeed for your time.

Thank you very much, Mr. Reed. Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's Ryman Hospitality Properties Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Again, thanks so much for joining us, everyone. We wish you all a great day. Goodbye.