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Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-05-21

Here’s What You Need to Know About Lloyds Banking Group’s (LYG) First Quarter 2026 Earnings

Insider Monkey

Lloyds Banking Group plc (NYSE:LYG) is one of the Best European Bank Stocks to Buy According to Hedge Funds. Recently, on April 30, Lloyds Banking Group plc (NYSE:LYG) was reiterated by Citi analyst Andrew Coombs with a Buy rating. The analyst also raised the price target from 114 GBp to 123 GBp. ​The rating follows the bank’s fiscal Q1 2026 earnings reported on April 29. During the quarter, the bank reported a better-than-expected rise in profit of around 33%, along with an increase in lending income. The statutory ​profit before tax for the first quarter came in at 2 billion pounds, up significantly from 1.52 billion pounds a year ago. This was above the consensus estimate of 1.84 billion pounds. According to a Reuters report, Lloyds Banking Group flagged concerns that the ongoing conflict in the Middle East could weigh on Britain’s economy, slow global growth, and push unemployment higher. Chief Financial Officer William Chalmers indicated the bank is working under the assumption that hostilities will gradually ease throughout the year. As a precaution, Lloyds set aside a small financial provision to account for the potential economic impact of that scenario. ​Management elaborated that this provision falls under post-2008 financial crisis accounting rules, which require banks to anticipate and recognize a share of expected loan losses ahead of time, based on market conditions. ​Despite this charge, its impact on Lloyds’ overall finances remained minimal. Against its 486 billion pound loan book, the provision was negligible, and profits were unaffected as the bank grew its assets while cutting operating costs by 3%. Lloyds confirmed it remains on track to meet its annual performance targets, including achieving a return on tangible equity exceeding 16% in 2026. ​Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) is a leading UK-based financial services group. It provides a broad range of banking and financial services to retail and commercial customers. The group includes household brands such as Lloyds Bank, Halifax, Bank of Scotland, and Scottish Widows. While we acknowledge the potential of LYG as an investment, we believe certain AI stocks offer greater upside potential and carry less downside risk. If you're looking for an extremely undervalued AI stock that also stands to benefit significantly from Trump-era tariffs and the onshoring trend, see our free report on...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-04-29

Lloyds: Q1 Earnings Snapshot

Associated Press

LONDON (AP) — LONDON (AP) — Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LYG) on Wednesday reported net income of $1.9 billion in its first quarter. The London-based bank said it had earnings of 13 cents per share. The bank posted revenue of $6.99 billion in the period. Its revenue net of interest expense was $6.99 billion, topping Street forecasts. _____ This story was generated by Automated Insights (http://automatedinsights.com/ap) using data from Zacks Investment Research. Access a Zacks stock report on LYG at https://www.zacks.com/ap/LYG

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-04-29

Lloyds Banking Group Q1 Earnings Call Highlights

MarketBeat

Strong Q1 results: Lloyds reported statutory profit after tax of £1.6bn with a 17% RoTE, net income of £4.8bn (+9% y/y), Q1 net interest income of £3.6bn and a net interest margin of 3.17%, ending the quarter with a CET1 ratio of 13.4%. Raised NII outlook driven by hedge tailwinds: Lloyds now expects 2026 net interest income of >£14.9bn, with structural hedge income rising to >£7bn in 2026 and >£8bn in 2027 (hedge notional ~£246bn and ~90–95% locked for 2026). Cautious macro update but credit stable and capital returns ongoing: Management revised its 2026 economic assumptions (CPI to 3.4%, GDP to ~0.5%, no rate cuts) yet reported a Q1 impairment charge of £295m (AQR ~25bp) and continues a share buyback (just over £700m of £1.75bn) while targeting a year‑end CET1 around 13%. Interested in Lloyds Banking Group PLC? Here are five stocks we like better. Lloyds Banking Group (NYSE:LYG) reported what Chief Financial Officer William Chalmers described as “sustained strength in financial performance” in the first quarter of 2026, citing income growth, lower costs, and stable credit trends. Management reiterated full-year guidance and modestly increased its net interest income outlook, while flagging a more cautious macroeconomic forecast tied to the conflict in the Middle East. For the quarter, Lloyds posted statutory profit after tax of GBP 1.6 billion, delivering a 17% return on tangible equity, Chalmers said. Net income totaled GBP 4.8 billion, up 9% year-on-year and up 1% from the fourth quarter. → Homebuilder Earnings: D.R. Horton Sticks Out as Pulte & NVR Sales Tank Income gains were supported by stronger net interest income and higher “other operating income.” Net interest margin rose to 3.17%, up 7 basis points in the quarter. Chalmers said other income increased 11% year-on-year, reflecting “positive and broad-based momentum.” On capital, Lloyds generated 41 basis points of capital in the quarter and ended Q1 with a CET1 ratio of 13.4%. Tangible net asset value per share increased to GBP 0.579, up GBP 0.009 from the prior quarter, despite what Chalmers described as the impact of higher rates on the cash flow hedge reserve. → Meta Platforms Earnings Preview: What to Watch in Q1 2026 Report Lloyds reported continued growth across lending portfolios, with total lending balances ending the quarter at GBP 486 billion, up GBP 5.1 billion from Q4 2025. Mortgages i...

Investor releaseQuarter not tagged2026-04-29

Lloyds Banking Q1 Earnings, Net Income Rise

MT Newswires

Lloyds Banking Group (LYG) reported Q1 earnings Wednesday of 0.024 British pounds ($0.03) per dilute

TranscriptFY2026 Q12026-04-29

FY2026 Q1 earnings call transcript

Earnings source - 128 paragraphs
Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Lloyds Banking Group 2026 Q1 interim management statement call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation from William Chalmers, followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Please note that this call is scheduled for one hour and is being recorded. I will now hand over to William Chalmers. Please go ahead.

William Chalmers

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our Q1 results call. As usual, I'll run through the group's financial performance before we then open the line for Q&A. Let me start with an overview of our key messages on slide two. In Q1, we continued to make progress on our strategy as we enter the final year of our current plan. As you heard in January, we have a busy year of delivery over 2026 with momentum building across the business. In the first quarter, the group once again delivered sustained strength in financial performance. This means continued growth in income, ongoing cost discipline, and strong asset quality. We have a resilient business model that positions us well in the context of the current macroeconomic environment. Our financial performance gives us confidence in the outlook for our business.

William Chalmers

We are reiterating our 2026 guidance, including a modest increase in net interest income. Let me now talk to our financials on slide three. Lloyds Banking Group continues to deliver sustained strength in its financial performance. In Q1, statutory profit after tax was GBP 1.6 billion, equating to a return on tangible equity of 17%. Within this, we delivered net income of GBP 4.8 billion, up 9% on the previous year and 1% higher than Q4. Income growth was driven by further progress in net interest income, supported by a net interest margin of 3.17%, up 7 basis points in Q1, as well as healthy volume growth. Alongside, other income grew by 11% year-on-year, continuing the positive and broad-based momentum being delivered by our strategy. Operating costs for the quarter were GBP 2.5 billion, down 3% year-on-year.

William Chalmers

This reflects our disciplined approach, supported by continued efficiency savings and lower severance costs in quarter. The remediation charge for the quarter, meanwhile, was GBP 11 million, with no additional provision for motor finance. Credit performance remained strong with an impairment charge of GBP 295 million in Q1, an asset quality ratio of 25 basis points. Tangible net asset value per share ended Q1 at GBP 0.579, an increase of GBP 0.009 versus the prior quarter, despite the impact of higher rates on the cash flow hedge reserve. Our performance has driven strong capital generation of 41 basis points, with a CET1 ratio at the end of the quarter of 13.4%. Let me now turn to slide four to look at movements across the balance sheet.

William Chalmers

We saw continued strength across our lending portfolios in Q1, while we maintained discipline in our deposit strategy. Lending balances closed the first quarter at GBP 486 billion, up GBP 5.1 billion or 1% versus Q4 2025, with growth across all business lines. Within this, mortgages grew by a net GBP 1.6 billion. This is in the context of a significant quarter of maturities and what remains a competitive market. Completion margins, meanwhile, were again around 70 basis points in the quarter. Commercial balances were up GBP 2.8 billion in Q1. Pleasingly, this included growth across both our CIB and BCB businesses. The latter after GBP 0.3 billion of government-backed lending repayments. Looking at the liability franchise, total deposits were down slightly by GBP 0.6 billion.

William Chalmers

Within this, retail deposits were down GBP 3.1 billion, mainly driven by outflows from maturing fixed-term savings deposits given our participation decisions. We maintain price discipline in an increasingly competitive and, at times, negative margin market at tax year-end. We focused on retaining and attracting high-value customers with broader product holdings within the group. Alongside, PCAs were up GBP 0.6 billion, supported by the strength of our franchise and our propositions. Looking forward, as the tax year-end finalizes, we will continue to invest in our relationship customers and expect deposit balances to reflect that. Commercial deposits were up GBP 2.3 billion, driven by growth in corporate and institutional banking. Insurance, pensions, and investments saw open book net new money flows of GBP 2.2 billion, supported by inflows from our workplace franchise alongside a good start from Lloyds Wealth.

William Chalmers

Let me turn to net interest income on slide five. Net interest income continues to grow robustly. NII for the quarter was GBP 3.6 billion, up 1% versus Q4 and up 8% year-on-year. Strong growth in customer lending and hedge income continues to more than offset mortgage repricing headwinds. Average interest earning assets for GBP 473.5 billion for Q1 were up 1% compared to the prior quarter. Alongside our net interest margin increased 7 basis points to 3.17%. The non-banking NII charge in Q1 was GBP 129 million, down slightly on Q4. For 2026, we now expect net interest income of greater than GBP 14.9 billion. This represents a modest increase versus our prior guidance, mainly driven by higher rate expectations.

William Chalmers

In particular, we now expect structural hedge income to be slightly stronger than previously anticipated, rising by more than GBP 1.5 billion in 2026 to greater than GBP 7 billion, before growing to more than GBP 8 billion in 2027. The structural hedge notional balance now stands at GBP 246 billion. We've increased it by GBP 2 billion versus Q4, given strong and persistent performance in hedge-eligible deposits. Let me turn to other income on slide six. Other operating income continues to show momentum. OOI was GBP 1.6 billion in the quarter, up 11% on the prior year and up 1% versus Q4. Growth continues to be broad-based. In particular, Q1 saw further strength in transport and our equity investments business, as well as a quarter of strong performance of Lloyds Wealth.

William Chalmers

This was partly offset by a lower CIB result, with the business impacted by macro uncertainty and volatility. We expect the CIB result to be stronger in Q2. We're seeing continued progress in our strategic initiatives. We've listed some recent developments on the slide, including further momentum in Tusker and Lloyds Living, strong demand for our new Ultra card in retail, and industry recognition for our scale cash management and payments platform in commercial. Operating lease appreciation was GBP 389 million in Q1, up GBP 10 million quarter-on-quarter, driven by fleet growth and higher value vehicles, alongside some price weakness in disposals. Moving to costs on slide seven. Cost discipline continues to be an imperative. Q1 operating costs were GBP 2.5 billion, down 3% on the prior year, driven by continued efficiency savings and a lower severance charge versus Q1 2025.

William Chalmers

The cost income ratio for the first quarter was 51.9%. We remain confident of delivering a 2026 cost income ratio of less than 50% as income builds through the year and our investment in this strategic cycle culminates. We will update on our investment plans and associated growth objectives for the next stage of the strategy in July. The remediation charge for Q1 was GBP 11 million. Following the FCA announcement on the final rules of the Motor Finance Consumer Redress Scheme, our assessment is that no change is required to our GBP 1.95 billion provision. Note that the provision continues to be a scenario-based approach, meaning that while it represents our best estimate, uncertainties remain. Let me turn to credit performance on slide eight. Credit performance remains strong, reflecting our resilient customer base and our prudent approach to risk.

William Chalmers

Retail and commercial both continue to see low and stable impairments, and new to arrears and other early warning indicators remain benign. Although we have downgraded our economic forecasts, we have as yet seen no impact on the portfolio from the conflict in the Middle East. In this context, the Q1 impairment charge was GBP 295 million, equating to an asset quality ratio of 25 basis points. The pre-MES asset quality ratio was 16 basis points, benefiting from a stable underlying charge and some model calibrations. Reflecting the weaker macroeconomic outlook, we have taken a GBP 101 million net MES charge in the first quarter. This incorporates a GBP 151 million charge based on revised forecasts, offset by a GBP 50 million release of last year's tariff PMA in commercial.

William Chalmers

We continue to expect the full year asset quality ratio to be around 25 basis points. I'll give further detail on our updated macroeconomic outlook on slide nine. The implications of the conflict in the Middle East lead us to revise our economic outlook. In essence, we see a higher inflationary environment leading to higher rates, slower GDP and HPI growth, and slightly higher unemployment. CPI average is 3.4% in 2026 versus our prior assumption of 2.6%. Higher inflation means we now forecast no reductions in the bank rate during this year. We continue to expect a terminal rate of 3.5%. This reduces GDP growth to around 0.5% in 2026 from 1.2% and house price growth to around 1%.

William Chalmers

Finally, this gives a slightly higher unemployment peak at 5.6% in the fourth quarter of this year. Clearly, there remains significant uncertainty. In particular, our current economic expectations are conditioned on a gradual easing of disruption over the course of the year, similar to market assumptions. As you know, our business model is well-placed to endure macro challenges. In the round, higher rates may lead to some income benefits. However, in 2026, it's likely these are largely offset by slower activity levels. Alongside, we stick with our AQR guidance of circa 25 basis points. Let me now turn to our returns and TNAV on slide 10. Based upon strong business performance, the group delivered a return on tangible equity of 17% for the quarter. Below the line, the restructuring charge was GBP 18 million, which includes integration costs for Curve and Lloyds Wealth.

William Chalmers

Volatility in other items was positive at GBP 38 million, largely due to insurance-related gains. Tangible net asset value per share, meanwhile, increased to GBP 0.579, up GBP 0.009 or 2% in the quarter. The increase was driven by strong profitability and a higher pension surplus, partly offset by the impact of higher rates on the cash flow hedge reserve. Looking ahead, we continue to expect material TNAV per share growth in both the short and the medium term. We also continue to expect ROE of more than 16% in 2026. Turning now to capital generation on slide 11. The group continues to be highly capital generative. Risk-weighted assets closed the quarter at GBP 241 billion, up GBP 5.3 billion from the prior quarter. This increase principally reflects strong lending growth in a quarter of limited planned optimization.

William Chalmers

Across Q1, we generated 41 basis points of capital, consistent with our expectations at this stage of the year. Following this, the Group CET1 ratio ended the quarter at 13.4%. Looking forward, we continue to expect 2026 capital generation to be more than 200 basis points and to pay down to a CET1 ratio of around 13% by the end of the year. Let me now wrap up on slide 12. To summarize, in Q1, the group is delivering on its strategic ambitions in the final year of our plan. We are demonstrating sustained strength in our financial performance, meaning strong growth in income, ongoing cost discipline, and strong asset quality. As we look ahead to the remainder of 2026, we are confident of meeting the financial guidance as laid out on the slide.

William Chalmers

Beyond 2026, we are committed to continuing income growth, improving operating leverage, and stronger sustainable returns. We look forward to updating further with our strategic review alongside our half-year results. That concludes my comments for this morning. Thank you for listening. We'll now open the line for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, you may do so by pressing star two to cancel. There will be a brief pause while questions are being registered. Thank you. Our first caller is Aman Rakkar from Barclays. The line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Aman Rakkar

Oh, hi, William. Thanks very much for the presentation and the chance to ask questions. I was gonna ask about Other Operating Income. I just wanted a bit more color. It looks like CIB was affected by kind of market dynamics in the quarter. I do note that we saw a pretty significant move higher in sterling rates in the quarter. I don't know if you can just kind of lift the lid on, you know, what exactly happened there and if there's any kind of mark-to-market impacts. Obviously, you've alluded to expecting better performance in Q2, it'd be great to kind of get a bit more color on that line item. 'Cause I think this time last year, that number was down year on year from a tough comp the year beforehand.

Aman Rakkar

It'd be good to kind of get a sense of what the clean run rate is in CIB. The second question I just had, I was just noting your comments around the fallout of the Middle East. You were kind of referring to high rates offering some income benefits, but potentially offset by slower activity levels. I was wondering if you could just give us a little bit more color in your mind exactly what you're referencing there. Again, is it other operating income? Is it lending? You know, balance sheet momentum? Whatever you're referring to would be really helpful. Thank you so much.

William Chalmers

Thanks, Aman, for both questions. I'll take them in turn. First of all, on OI, just to step back, I mean, the year-over-year performance, 11% up is, you know, obviously pretty creditable. Within that, we've seen, as I mentioned in my comments, some decent growth within the retail area, transportation in particular. Some decent growth in terms of the investments businesses, LDC, Lloyds Living as part of that, and an ongoing growth in IP&I. As you highlighted, we've seen slightly weaker performance in commercial, that is primarily off the back of difficult interest rate markets, in particular during the course of the first quarter, alongside limited issuance activity. You know, the business within CIB is a great business, we've been growing it solidly over the course of the strategic plan, as you know.

William Chalmers

Other operating income in commercial, in CIB in particular, is up 35% since we started the strategy. We expect that to continue to grow, and we intend to continue to build out the focus of that business so that it is a little more diversified. As it stands right now, as impacted, it was, as mentioned, rather, it was impacted by U.K. rates, and it was impacted by relatively modest issuance activity in the first quarter. We do not expect the rates impact to repeat in quarter two, and we've already seen issuance activity picking up. As I mentioned in my comments earlier on, that CIB performance in quarter one is unlikely to be repeated in quarter two.

William Chalmers

Indeed, we'll see some strengthening there. I would also just highlight that we've seen some very successful product launches in retail over the course of the first quarter. Those in turn have been partly incentivized, and that's probably led to a slightly slower performance in retail as a whole in the first quarter than we're likely to see in the second as those product incentives work their way through and indeed deliver the income benefits we would expect to see from the success of those product launches. That's the second factor. Thirdly, you know, as is typical with the first quarter, IP&I has a slightly more subdued performance in quarter one off the back of weather in GI. That's just a natural cycle of things, if you like.

William Chalmers

Stepping back on OOI, Aman, we're not changing what we said at the beginning of the year, actually, which is that we expect OOI growth for 2026 to be ahead of 2025. I think from memory, 2025 growth was about 9%. We'd expect more of the same plus Lloyds Wealth, which is, I think, similar to what we said or equivalent to what we said at the end of the year. We're not changing that expectation. You asked about income and activity, Aman. You know, nothing specific there that I would really highlight. It's simply that we have seen obviously an increase, a modest increase in our net interest income expectations off the back of rates developments, also off the back of a slight strengthening of the notional in the structural hedge, as you'll have seen.

William Chalmers

A couple of billion up because we've seen very steady, hedge-eligible deposit performance, and that has enabled us to be more confident about the net interest income for this year, as expressed in our guidance. At the same time, as you know and as we commented, our macro assumptions have come in a little bit. Rather than in excess of 1% GDP growth, we're now expecting about 0.5% GDP growth. We're expecting a slight pickup in terms of the unemployment rate, peaking at around 5.6% quarter four of this year. Probably slightly more modest HPI growth, just a shade below 1%. You know, none of this stuff is particularly dramatic, but nonetheless, it's a slightly more subdued growth picture than previously. Of course, one would logically expect that to feed through into expectations around economic activity in general.

William Chalmers

As you can see from my comments on the answer to the previous question, that doesn't affect our guidance in respect of OOI. That doesn't reflect too much on our expectations, but it's just more a general point off the back of those economic assumptions that we are making. Hopefully, Aman, that gives you some insight as to your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Jason Napier from UBS. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Jason Napier

Morning, William. Thank you for taking the questions. First of all, I think those watching the group closely can see a real sort of high cadence around strategic issues, some of the hiring that you've done in AI and wealth and risk sort of being front of my mind. At the third quarter of last year, you said that your strategic update may well include targets to a round number year or words to that effect. Given that the market, I think, is going to want to be focused on the sort of strategic update from here, I wonder whether you could give us a sense as to sort of how you're thinking about that event, how the group is going about setting targets and so on.

Jason Napier

Basically, if you could give us a forthcoming attractions, advert for that. Secondly, I mean, clearly sentiment around U.K. domestic economics is very, very poor and entirely at odds with the fact that your C&I loans are up 10% year on year and that the Bank of England data's got them up 9%. Given that commercial has a margin that's nearly double that of retail and that you're growing this book really quite well, I wonder whether you could, you know, just sort of unpack, first of all, where the volume growth is coming from, and then secondly, sort of what it means in your mind at a high level for revenue growth in that business. I mean, is it a, is it a double-digit revenue growth business?

Jason Napier

It did double digits last year, even as rates fell and despite its low LDR. It just looks perhaps like a much better story than investors are assigning to it. If you could just talk a little bit about what you're seeing in that division in particular, that would be helpful. Thank you.

William Chalmers

Thank you, Jason. Sure. I will, I'll do my best on the first one without wanting to steal the thunder, obviously, of the event in July. Separately, I'll come to the commercial banking points. You know, the strategic update in July, so far all that we've said about it is that we do expect beyond 2026 continued growth in income, improvements in operating leverage, and strong and sustainable returns and indeed capital distributions off the back of that. You know, that is the financial picture, if you like, for the strategic update, I won't talk too much about the content beyond that from a strategic point of view. Safe to say, you talked about round numbers. It's likely that we'll go towards the end of the decade in the context of the strategic update, i.e., the time frames that we'll give.

William Chalmers

It's reasonable, I think, to expect us to deliver a degree of continuity in the strategic update that is around finishing the job that we have embarked upon from 2022 onwards. It is also reasonable to expect us to consider how can we extend beyond that in the context of capturing the unique capabilities and strengths and market presence of the group, both within areas and across areas. I think it's reasonable to expect us to build upon the operating model of the group to ensure that we are able to deliver customer propositions tailored and efficiently. Finally, that is all put together in the context of wanting to and expecting to deliver sustainable returns to shareholders.

William Chalmers

I won't go beyond that, Jason, but hopefully that gives you some sort of sense of direction, if you like, and then we can talk about it more fully during the course of July. Commercial banking. Commercial banking is, as your comment suggests, a terribly important area from our perspective, and it captures both the CIB and also the BCB, i.e., SME part of our franchise. CB should be viewed in that context. What have we seen, first of all? It has been a big part of our investment over the course of this strategic period. We talk about digitizing the SME bank or the BCB business, for example. That's in the context of a digitized offering with relationship manager advice attached.

William Chalmers

We've also talked about building out the strength of the CIB franchise. I commented upon that just a second ago in the context of the OOI performance. That is really a story of ensuring that we capitalize upon what is our right to win. You know, that is to say, we are the leading UK bank. We have a very strong franchise amongst UK corporates. We expect to deliver more fully upon all of the needs of those UK corporates, both here within the UK, and indeed, in the adjacent geographies, as well as investors looking to make inward investments within the UK. Building on that CIB offering in the context of, as I mentioned earlier on, broadening out in terms of diversification, nothing particularly radical. Still with a cash debt risk focus.

William Chalmers

That has always been our focus from a strategic perspective, and it's likely to continue to be. That's a, that's a sort of strategic tenor, if you like, both for BCB and for CIB. A couple of comments beyond that. One is you highlighted lending growth in the context of your comments there, and in the respect of each of those, I'll maybe make a couple of points. BCB, first of all, BCB has been seeing some success in terms of going into some of its core sector areas and improving the lending proposition off the back of, as I said, you know, a better infrastructure. It has been held back from a presentational balance sheet point of view by the fact that we've consistently been seeing customers making repayments on their government-backed lending, i.e., Bounce Back Loans.

William Chalmers

What was interesting about this quarter is that for the first time, over the course of recent periods at least, the new lending to the private sector outweighed those government-backed lending repayments. As a result, you saw BCB balances growing by GBP 0.6 billion over the course of the quarter, which is great to see. That in turn is a pattern that we expect to see going forward as the BCB lending continues off the back of strong propositions. CIB has been a business, as you say, that has built balances mainly in target sectors like infrastructure, institutional activities, trade, that type of thing. That's really where we've concentrated the efforts. Then I would add the further comment, Jason, beyond the lending picture that I've just portrayed, that this is also, and significantly, about other operating income.

William Chalmers

You know, both within the context of BCB, where our customers require a lot of services, if you like, and activities that are basically other operating income in orientation. Likewise, in the context of CIB, where, as you know, it is often about the relationship that you're building with the customer and lending is only a relatively small part of that. It's about building the other operating income streams in the areas that I mentioned earlier on. Jason, hopefully that gives you a sense. You know, CIB is an incredibly important part of our business. We have been investing heavily into it. We expect to do so going forward. It's a lending proposition for sure, but it's a very important other operating income stream too.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Benjamin Toms from RBC. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Benjamin Toms

Morning, William. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one's on margin. You show on slide five the building blocks for NIM. Maybe you could just give some color about whether you'd expect the moving parts in NIM to be similar in Q2 versus those that we saw in Q1. Secondly, you've made no change to your Motor Finance provision. If the High Court accepts the judicial review application from Consumer Voice, does that have the potential to lead to a GBP 200 million top-up as you'll need to add a new scenario to your provision calculation which ascribes the probability weighting for the judicial review challenge being successful? Thank you.

William Chalmers

Thanks Ben, for those questions. I'll take them each in turn, obviously. First of all, the margin performance in Q1, as you point out, is pretty robust, pretty good. It is essentially in line with our expectations, where we described at the beginning of the year the expectation of material growth in net interest margin over the course of this year. Up 7 basis points is not far away from what we expected, and it's being driven by the usual kind of compilation of tailwinds, offset somewhat by headwinds that we've discussed before. Specifically within that, we've seen the benefit of the hedge come through quite significantly in the course of quarter one. We've seen some benefit from funding issuance, a little bit from commercial banking, to the margin and so forth.

William Chalmers

Those are the primary tailwinds, if you like. As said, the hedge being foremost amongst them. The headwinds, we've seen the mortgage refinancing pressure and a little bit in deposits. Looking forward, a couple of points to make, really. One is we do expect those tailwinds to continue to play out over the course of the year, and we do expect those tailwinds to continue to be materially greater than the offsetting headwinds. You know, the kind of, the characters, if you like, will be the same. That is to say structural hedge will remain strong. We continue to expect a little bit of benefit from our funding issuance activity and so forth. On the other side, mortgages will continue to be a refinancing headwind for the remainder of this year.

William Chalmers

The overall pattern is one of positive progress in net interest margin, and you should expect to see progress pretty much in every quarter for the net interest margin. Progress in quarter two, three, and four going forward. Steady progress towards a materially better margin at the end of this year than we came into it. I would add actually in that context that, as you know, when we talk about our guidance these days, we're really talking about net interest income, Ben, as opposed to net interest margin. In that net interest income context, we should talk a bit about the lending growth that we're seeing. We should talk a bit about the deposit picture and the like. Lending growth, as you know, in the course of quarter one has been some GBP 6 billion, just over GBP 6 billion, GBP 6.2 billion, GBP 6.3 billion.

William Chalmers

Pretty solid lending growth across the piece in terms of retail and commercial, and that is a big part of the net interest income build too. The motor point, Ben, the motor provision of GBP 1.95 billion remains, from our perspective, the best estimate of how this thing is going to come out. I'll maybe just take a step back and comment briefly on the position with motor. You know, we are, as you know, disappointed in, and we don't necessarily agree with the conclusions of the FCA scheme that has been launched. There are various reasons for that. We think the proposals are disproportionate. We think that it produces or they may produce anomalous outcomes for customers.

William Chalmers

Having said all of that, we think that it is in the best interests of customers and indeed the group and its shareholders to just move on at this point. We have a strong transportation financing business, and we wanna make sure that there is a functioning consumer finance market, which for us is an important growth business. That's how we see the overall picture. The GBP 1.95 billion, as said, is a best estimate, but as I mentioned in my comments earlier on, is also a scenario-based estimate. What that means is that we've taken the FCA scenario, including its take-up rates and all the other component parts of it, as our base within the overall provision modeling. We have also looked at scenarios around that, including things like different response rates, different cost levels.

William Chalmers

Pertinent to your point or relevant to your point, Ben, we have also looked at challenge scenarios, and indeed litigation through the courts as part of our overall assessment of that GBP 1.95 billion. The GBP 1.95 billion, therefore, takes account of those types of challenge scenarios attached to the probability that we think there is of success. I would make the final point, Ben, is that the challenge scenarios aren't only going in one direction.

William Chalmers

You've got a challenge scenario from a consumer group, the one you mentioned. You've also got the potential for challenge scenarios from others and therefore, you know, what the net of that is from a challenge perspective, we have to see. I think it's important to bear in mind that there may be challenges to the FCA scheme that go in both directions, upwards but also downwards. Overall, GBP 1.95 billion is our best estimate.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Sheel Shah from JPMorgan. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Sheel Shah

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Just one on the structural hedge, please. You've previously said that you would expect the hedge to grow, the notional, slowly through the year. You grew it by GBP 2 billion this quarter. Should we expect this level of growth going forward, considering we have seen some stability in the deposit environment, particularly around the current account deposit base? Alongside that, could you talk about the shape of hedge reinvestments in the year and how much pre-hedging you would've done in the first quarter, and would we expect any more pre-hedging in this second quarter? Thanks.

William Chalmers

Yeah. Thanks for that, Sheel Shah. Maybe to start off again with the overall objectives of the hedge, as always, as you know, about stability, number one, stability of earnings, and therefore stability of capital generation and indeed repatriation to our investors, and then also shareholder value. Now your question there was around the notional, around the look-forward. In the context of the notional, we have increased the notional by GBP 2 billion over the course of the quarter. 244 goes up to 246, and as you rightly say, that is essentially driven by the significant stability and indeed buildup of buffers that we have seen in hedge eligible balances. That comes from PCAs to a degree. It comes from Instant Access. The PCA performance, as you know, in quarter one of this year, really positive, i.e., GBP 0.6 billion up.

William Chalmers

Instant Access has been very solid over the course of this quarter. Actually, that has been the pattern over the course of quarters preceding that, and it's the buildup of buffers that we have seen in hedge eligible balances because of continued persistence, if you like, and indeed growth in those hedge eligible balances over the course of last year and coming into this that has caused us to say, "Actually, now is the right time to modestly increase the notional of the hedge." It's safe to say that the types of buffer and maturities that we keep in mind, if you like, are still well in excess of our internal guidelines. There's quite a lot of buffer still in place, well in excess of our internal guidelines, despite the fact that we've increased the notional by a couple of billion.

William Chalmers

That's, you know, that's kind of as it should be, and we feel very comfortable with that. We talked about the look-forward. As we look forward, I think any further progress on the structural hedge for this year will entirely depend upon how the key elements of the hedge eligible balances perform. Now, we've got a lot of successful propositions out there. I mentioned some of them in the context of the other operating income question that we discussed a second ago. We just kind of have to see how the balance sheet shapes up over the course of this year. I don't wanna set too many expectations over the hedge notional build. I do think we are seeing a period of, as I say, strong performance in terms of those hedge eligible balances, number one.

William Chalmers

We're also seeing a picture of strong rates. Our reinvestment rate, for example, over the course of quarter one, was just shy of 4% in the context of the hedges that were being reinvested over the course of the quarter. Coming to the final part of your question, Sheel, how much is that gonna feed through into benefits in 2026? Because of the nature of the hedge, which, you know, by and large is very similar to a caterpillar with a bit of flexibility here and there, we are currently pretty much locked in to about 95%, 90%-95% for 2026. Much of 2026 is locked in. Consistent with what you would expect if you saw a caterpillar hedge, we're around 80% or thereabouts locked in for 2027.

William Chalmers

So that gives you an idea as to how much these hedge benefits, if you like, will feed through in the course of 2026 and in the course of 2027. Largely locked in for 2026, about 80% locked in for 2027. In the context of higher rates, the benefits, if you like, will roll through in accordance with that.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Perlie Mong from Bank of America. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Perlie Mong

Hello. Good morning. Can I just ask two follow-up questions on the hedge or maybe the NII guidance? Because volumes have been pretty good this quarter and obviously reinvestment rates are higher. You have increased guidance, but probably not by as much as we could get to if we were to apply today's swap rates and maybe the rate outlook that we can all see on our screens. I know you probably don't want to comment on exactly what the roll-off assumptions are, but maybe if I put another way, if we use today's numbers as we can see from our screens, would there be upside to guidance is probably the first question. Second question is about capital and distribution at the half year.

Perlie Mong

Given the uncertainty probably a little bit more prolonged than we might have expected a few weeks and months ago, does that change your thinking in terms of how you want to run your capital at the half year? Like, I suppose what I mean is would you like to hold slightly more capital in light of the uncertainty on the horizon and also on the RWA side of things this quarter, a lot of it was just driven by lending growth without that much optimization activities. Should we expect more of that coming through in the second quarter?

William Chalmers

Thank you, Perlie, for those questions. There are, in a way, three questions there actually, one on the hedge, one on capital distribution, and one on RWAs. I'll take them respectively. First of all, the hedge. You know, we've seen a period, as we all know, of rates increases. We've also seen, just as I mentioned a second ago in response to Sheel's question, a period where we increased the notional balance of structural hedge because of the underlying eligible balance activity. The natural response to that is to see how that flows through in the context of NII, that's why we've moved the guidance from circa GBP 14.9 billion to greater than GBP 14.9 billion. Why have we stopped short of being more ambitious or necessarily giving a number?

William Chalmers

It's simply because, as you know, there is a fair amount of uncertainty out there. The uncertainty is around rates. As you know, the rates levels oscillate quite a lot on a day-to-day basis, number one. Number two, there's a bit of uncertainty as to activity. I don't think we see any dramatic downside. In fact, we have not seen any. To be clear, we have not seen any downside in terms of our lending activity over the course of the first quarter or as we look forward to it in the context of April and indeed beyond. It's not like we have seen a dampening of activity, but we have revised down our economic forecasts, and therefore one might naturally expect a little bit of that at least to follow.

William Chalmers

To be clear, we have not seen it yet, but that's what's kind of built into the expectations. An uncertainty over rates, a little bit of an uncertainty over activity, even if we haven't seen anything so far. In terms of the numbers, if you like, as you know, we've given guidance on the impact of upwards changes in the context of rates, and I think at the year-end is around GBP 100 million or so for a 25 basis point shift. We had previously built into our forecast the expectation of a couple of declines in interest rates, which are now no longer going to be happening. How does that relate to our guidance? Those declines were built in at various points in this year. I think one might have been in Q2, one might have been in Q3.

William Chalmers

That GBP 100 million per 25 basis points, if you like, it's only being arrived at as of around halfway through this year. At the same time, we've got those uncertainties around activity and so forth, that hopefully helps you square our greater than GBP 14.9 billion with the type of guidance that we have given. One further point there, Perlie, to make is we don't normally guide as of Q1. We don't normally update guidance, I should say, as of Q1. We've given the guidance that we have simply because, you know, what is evidently happening in the market, we felt it appropriate to do so. We don't normally guide as Q1, hence we've taken the approach that we have taken. You asked about capital distribution, Perlie.

William Chalmers

As you know, we're in the midst of a significant buyback program right now. We've done about GBP 700 million of the GBP 1.7 billion buyback. That's obviously proceeding exactly as we had planned it to. We have committed to looking at the capital position twice a year going forward as opposed to previous once a year. We're not gonna stray from that commitment. That is to say we're gonna keep that commitment. Now, how do we look at that in the context of management uncertainty? I would say a couple of things. One is that we are operating in excess of our capital targets right now.

William Chalmers

Two is that, as you know, we have built into our capital target, our long-term capital target of 13%, about 100 basis points, in fact now slightly more than 100 basis points, of management buffer designed to accommodate any particular uncertainty. Three is that we have a very capital generative business. You've seen it in the context of Q1. You'll see it more over the course of this year. You've seen it repeatedly over recent years. A very capital generative business. Further, fourthly, it is also a very low-risk business. It is a high quality prime customer portfolio, as you can see repeatedly in the context of the AQR and as you can see in the first quarter, once you get beneath the surface of the 25 basis points AQR, the underlying being 16 basis points.

William Chalmers

Management buffer's built into our capital targets. A very capital generative business, a low risk book, gives us confidence in sticking with our 13% ambitions for the end of the year. As said, we have a commitment to look at the capital position at the half year, and that's exactly what we'll do. Nothing changes, Perlie. RWAs. RWAs, as you say, up slightly over the course of the first quarter, GBP 5.3 billion, I think it was, versus quarter four. A lot of that, as you highlight, is being driven by lending. If you take out the hedges, you've got lending of about GBP 6.3 billion over the course of the first quarter. That's really healthy growth. As I said earlier on, we have not seen a slowdown in lending appetite amongst our customer base during the course of April.

William Chalmers

We expect that lending to continue. Lending over the first quarter, GBP 6.3 billion. What else is going on in RWAs? We've got a bit of SRT amortization during the period. We've got a bit of undrawn activity also during the period, which is a sign of healthy future growth. For example, the mortgage pipeline has been very strong during the course of March. That's led to commitments and therefore undrawns, which we'll draw upon and complete during the course of the second quarter. A little bit of undrawn increase also in the CB portfolio too. Alongside of that, some rotation out of bank Bounce Back Loans, as I mentioned earlier on, and into private sector and therefore RWA-weighted lending.

William Chalmers

Further, growth within the LBGI investments business, LDC, Lloyds Living, that sort of thing, has brought us a bit of RWA growth that is not lending related. Final point, as you said, Perlie, and as is right, this is a very limited optimization quarter. The first quarter usually is. I think we got about GBP 0.6 billion-GBP 0.7 billion of optimization benefits within RWAs. That will ramp up as we go through the year. That, GBP 5.3 billion RWA growth that we've seen in quarter one, Perlie, is very unlikely to be anything like the same level as we go through the course of the year for all the reasons that I just mentioned. Perlie, hopefully that addresses your queries on hedge, on capital distribution, and on RWAs.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Jonathan Pierce from Jefferies. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Pierce

Yeah, hi, William. Thanks for taking the questions. Can I maybe just press you a bit more on the distribution outlook in the nearer term? The interim is obviously only a quarter away now. The buyback, at its current pace at least, is gonna finish in August. Obviously, you know, you didn't get Aegon UK, which according to the media you were looking at. It does feel increasingly likely that we'll get a top-up at the interims. Can you give us a little bit of help as to how you're thinking on calibrating this judgment at the half-year stages, not just this year, but moving forward some.

Jonathan Pierce

I mean, I guess if you get a 50, 60 basis points capital build in the second quarter, a bit of dividend accrual, you're going to be exiting June at, I don't know, 13.7%, 13.8%. I mean, would it be sensible to think about that coming back in towards where we were at the start of the year, 13.2%, 13.3%, and then progressing down to 13% at the end of the year? I accept you may not want to be drawn on this, it would be helpful just to get a sense as to how you are thinking of that. Secondly, on the mortgage headwinds, the average margin across the second half of last year on the book was 85 basis points.

Jonathan Pierce

I suppose it was closer to 80 as we exited the year. It's clearly come down again in the first quarter. What's the spot margin on the mortgage book today? I don't know if you've got that number ex the SVR portfolio as well. I'm just wondering, you know, when does this headwind genuinely finish? You know, should we be assuming there is no headwind at all going into 2027? In the past, you've talked about H2 2026 as being the end of the headwind. A bit of an update on that would be useful. Thanks.

William Chalmers

Thanks, Jonathan. Just to deal with each of those in turn, the commitment on capital ratios, as you know, is and continues to be 13% at the end of the year. As mentioned to Perlie, we have every confidence and every intention of distributing down to 13% at the end of the year. It will of course, be subject to board decisions at that time. I shouldn't get ahead of myself in terms of pre-committing, as it were. There has been no change in terms of our ambition vis-a-vis 13% at the end of the year. You mentioned there the buyback. The buyback current run rate is pretty much as we had expected. As you know, well, it is built in to accelerate at times of relative share price weakness.

William Chalmers

That is the way in which the algorithm works, and that is very intentional. Currently, we've executed just over GBP 700 million of the GBP 1.75 billion buyback that we have in place. As you observed, Jonathan, it is on track at the current run rate to conclude in Q3. You know, precisely when, I guess, will depend in part upon the strength of the share price as indicated. If the board decides to do a second half buyback off the back of the excess capital position, of course the scope is going to be there. I don't want to, again, pre-commit the board. It'll be up to them to make the decision that they make, with me obviously as part of it when that decision is right to be made.

William Chalmers

There will be scope to do the buyback in the second half should they decide to do so. If the current buyback executes and concludes during the course of August, then of course you've got that kind of calendar year as well as the capital capacity to execute. You mentioned there the particular M&A situation, which I might just take the opportunity to comment on simply in the context of M&A broadly, rather than anything more specific than that. You know, we do look at opportunities in M&A, and occasionally some will be strategically interesting to us. You know, you mentioned a particular headline there. I don't want to comment on specificities, but some on occasion will be strategically interesting to us. We will subject those opportunities to tests around value, around speed, and around risk. That hasn't changed.

William Chalmers

Those value considerations will include concerns like dilution, will include measurements of return on investor capital, as well as the NPV or otherwise of any given M&A opportunity. The risk will include considerations of things like integration and migration concerns. When we've looked at opportunities, including those recently, they have, for us at least, not passed those hurdles. They have failed those tests. We think that even if something is strategically interesting, it's very important to be disciplined. Having said that, if an M&A opportunity is attractive, and if it passes those stringent tests, then we will execute. You've seen in the context of recent periods, we've done SPW late last year. We are in the process of doing Curve. We've done Tusker, very successful M&A transaction. We've done Embark in the savings area.

William Chalmers

We did a mortgage portfolio when I first came in. You know, again, where something is strategically consistent, number one, and where it passes the value, speed, risk, hurdles, number two, then we will execute. We take those hurdles seriously, and they have to pass. The mortgage margin point, Jonathan, the overall mortgage margins, as you said, have been about 70 basis points completion margins over the course of this period. We've had a Q1 maturity out of just shy of 100 basis points. You've got therefore a headwind, if you like, of about 30 basis points for a new mortgage being written against an old one. That hasn't changed too much over recent quarters. It's probably been nudging down maybe 1 basis point or 2 every quarter.

William Chalmers

While it still fits the description of circa 70 basis points completion margins, just bear in mind that it has nudged down by a basis point or so. I think overall, I mentioned a maturity out margin there of about, just shy of 100 basis points, just shy of 1% for Q1. I think that's going to be more or less the picture over the course of 2026 based upon the book that we have. If you think the completion margins aren't going to budge too much, then you're going to see that type of headwind over the course of the year. You asked about the kind of termination, if you like, of that headwind, Jonathan. We have, as you say, in the past talked about H2 2026.

William Chalmers

I think it's been kind of nudging a little bit, outside of that over the course of recent quarters. Right now we look at that hedge, sorry, that headwind basically petering out at the beginning of next year. It may not be exactly zero during 2027, Jonathan, but it will be very largely taken care of by the first part of 2027. I won't be too precise on it. You know, we'll have to see kind of how things fare over the next couple of months. Certainly by the first half of 2027, potentially within the first quarter, you're done with it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Guy Stebbings from BNP Paribas. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Guy Stebbings

Hi. Morning. The first was back on the mortgage market, more really from a demand perspective, as you've probably got as good visibility as anyone. I guess Q1 was a good quarter for volume. Seemingly, there's been elevated approvals around the end of the quarter and start of Q2 for the industry. Certainly a good start to the year, but perhaps a pull forward of activity and rates may dampen activity from here, and you talked yourself about lower HPI assumptions.

Guy Stebbings

Just interested really to get your view on what you're seeing on demand today, what your expectations are for the rest of the year, and if there's anything to call out in terms of mix effects, whether we might see more refi activity over first time buyer activity, which could have an impact on spread dynamics, as I guess was the case back in 2023 when rates went a bit higher. The second question was on deposits. A little bit about outflows on retail savings, seemingly a conscious decision around term deposit market. I know you talked about competitive dynamics in that market back at the start of this year. Is that sort of playing through as expected?

Guy Stebbings

I know we've got sort of steady deposit trends in current accounts and instant access, so just sort of checking that everything's running through as expected there. Thank you.

William Chalmers

Thanks, Guy, for both of those questions. Just to take them in turn, mortgages, as you say, a pretty decent quarter, GBP 1.6 billion up. That was actually in the context of a significant maturity quarter. You know, the gross lending was particularly strong. That was offset by a lot of repayments, the net of that being GBP 1.6 billion up. We think our market share over that period was about 18.5%-19%. Pretty much in line with what we would hope for in the context of strong lending growth.

William Chalmers

I think the other point that's worth making about the first quarter, Guy, is because rates were added in the way that they did, we saw quite a lot of application activity from a customer perspective, i.e., potentially some bringing forward of applications that might have otherwise happened in quarter two into quarter one. A sharp uptick in applications, which in turn will feed through into completions for Q2, at least a good part of them will do. You know, off the back of that, the pipeline for mortgages is probably a touch stronger than we had expected it to be going forward into the remainder of this year, Q2 and potentially beyond. Now two points to add to that. One is we've recently done a securitization on the mortgage book that was within April, and therefore will qualify within Q2.

William Chalmers

You may see a slightly flatter performance in mortgages in Q2 than would otherwise be the case, simply because the securitization activity is offsetting what is otherwise good, healthy, new lending activity or net new lending activity. Just bear that in mind. The second point is, you know, this, the effect of higher rates on housing activity may be a little bit to be felt. Again, we're not trying to suggest that we've seen it so far. We certainly haven't. We've seen strong secured, we've seen strong unsecured continuing into this quarter. You know, maybe the effect of rates takes a little bit of an impact in the course of the second half. Let's see. Let's see. I think strong activity in Q1 expect to continued strength into Q2 off the back of what I've just said.

William Chalmers

Bear in mind that cosmetic point that I just made around the securitization, and then we'll just see how the rest of the year proceeds, if you like, off the back of what has been an encouraging start, frankly. You asked in that context about margins. You know, margins consistent with my comments to Jonathan just there. Margins continue to be, you know, generally in pretty good shape and probably, I would say they end up typically in slightly better shape than we think they're going to be when we start the quarter. That's been the pattern over recent quarters. Let's see whether that carries on or not. I do think a couple of points worth bearing in mind. You know, one is the standalone returns for us on those types of margins, given our scale, is perfectly respectable.

William Chalmers

Also, as you know, we seek to augment it and supplement it in the context of our consumer or customer relationships. For example, we've been working hard on ensuring protection take-up rates. Likewise, home insurance stands alongside the mortgage offering in the context of our strategy, and that's been a big part of our investment process over the course of the 2022 through 2026 period. We're trying to augment the overall relationship. That's one point. The second point is, as I'm about to go on to, we have seen a pretty competitive fixed term market over the course of the first quarter, and I would have thought that, you know, as that competition reflects itself, it may be that some of that comes out on the lending side because people like us see their margins in a very holistic way.

William Chalmers

Possibly a more competitive deposit market finds its way through into a slightly more benign mortgage margin market. Let's see. Guy, you asked about deposits and as you say, we've taken a very kind of conscious decision, as you rightly pointed out, in terms of our overall participation decisions within the deposit market. Maybe just to take a step back. Overall, as you know, modest reduction of GBP 0.6 billion over the course of the quarter. Stepping back further, actually, there's an GBP 8 billion increase, 2% increase over the course of the last year. Behind that, there's decent CB performance, GBP 2.3 billion up, and it's then slightly slower in retail. Within retail, the areas that really matter to us, PCA has shown strength, GBP 0.6 billion up off the back of strong propositions.

William Chalmers

Very important to us for all reasons that you know about. Likewise, instant access really solid over the course of the quarter. Within savings, where we have chosen not to participate so aggressively is in the fixed term market. In the fixed term market, we have, as I mentioned in my comments earlier on, seen a very competitive market, probably a touch more competitive than even we expected at the beginning, and indeed at times a negative margin market. We've chosen not to go forward and, if you like, extend negative margins, but rather focus on retention off the back of what was a very strong ISA season in 2025. We aim to retain about 90% of that. Alongside of that, invest in our customer franchise, invest in our most valuable relationship customers.

William Chalmers

We're achieving those goals. You can see it come through in the context of the other activities that I mentioned a second ago. I think, Guy, you know, what we're looking to do is to deliver good value for the customer franchise in a way that makes sense without spending too much money on, you know, what is often relatively mobile, non-relationship money in the fixed term market. That's what's behind the deposit outcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Ben Caven-Roberts from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Ben Caven-Roberts

Morning. Thanks very much for the presentation. Just one follow-up please, on your comments around activity versus rates and the trade-off there. You've removed the two rate cuts that you previously had in your forecast. If we look at market pricing, you know, to some earlier comments, market's got about two hikes in at the moment. If we were to see those hikes materialize, which segments of the book would you be looking at most keenly, whether in terms of changing activity levels or in terms of changing asset quality? Thank you.

William Chalmers

Yeah, thanks, Ben. You know, look, just one point to be clear on upfront really, which is that the activity levels that we have seen in the 1st quarter and the activity levels that we continue to see in the 2nd quarter have been, I would say, at least as if not better than our expectations. Point really around activity is simply to say, as we look out, we've got slower GDP expectations. Therefore, one would expect that to have, you know, some impact. To be clear, not totally offsetting the beneficial impact of the rates picture that we've seen, which is why we have increased the guidance to greater than GBP 14.9 billion as we have done this morning.

William Chalmers

Ben, you asked about if rates were to be hiked, as the market suggests or implies rather, versus our expectation that there will be no cuts in rates and rates will stay exactly as they are. The overall expectation we've given sensitivities on in the past and, you know, that in turn suggests, I think at year-end we said that a 25 basis point shock across the curve was about GBP 100 million or so of benefit from net interest income point of view. Where might that weigh? You know, it's a little hard to say precisely the sectors upon which that might impact, but one can think about long-term investments potentially as an example of that. You know, one can think about potentially HPI acceleration being dampened down a little bit by that type of thing.

William Chalmers

I think it's those types of points really. You asked about asset quality. I would not expect those types of rates increases to have any meaningful impact or any discernible impact on asset quality, frankly, Ben. We've seen a period of incredibly resilient asset quality off the back of what is a very prudently positioned book that is rigorously stress-tested for rates that are much higher than anything that we see in the market right now and anything that we prospectively see going forward. You can see that manifested in the context of the performance of the book today. You can see that taken account of to the extent that it causes any impact in the context of our MES that we put in place today, our either GBP 101 million net MES increase.

William Chalmers

Ben, when I think about on the retail side, for example, our mortgage borrowers, they're typically in excess of GBP 85,000 household average income. The loans deposit ratio is about 45.4%. It is every mortgage is rigorously stress-tested, as I mentioned, for rates that are well in excess of where we are today. I don't see much stress there. I could work my way through the other parts of retail portfolio and say much the same. When I look at the CB, the commercial banking business, 81% of CIB exposure is investment grade. 90% of the SME exposure is secured. Roughly 70% of that is less than 60% LTV. This is a robust book.

William Chalmers

It is not going to get troubled by 25, 50 basis points of interest rate increases.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Christopher Cant from Autonomous. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Christopher Cant

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. If I could just come back on deposit competition, please. It's obviously been an area of concern for some investors looking at U.K. banks, and I guess people think back to second half of 2023, which was the last big negative surprise with regards customer behavior and churn into fixed versus expectations at the time. I'm conscious that your rates assumptions are some way below market per the previous question. What level of rates or, in particular, forward swap rates do you think we would need to see to generate an equivalent sort of negative surprise around customer behavioral churn? Conscious that in mid-2023, I think the two-year swap peaked at about 6%.

Christopher Cant

We have had a move up, meaningful move up so far this year to, you know, mid-4s, I guess. Is there a level you have in mind where you would start to get nervous that we could see a further wave of kind of fixed migration at a system level? It feels like at the moment you're standing back from that fixed term market and accepting, you know, minor volume attrition, but it's not really impacting your book. On a related point, in the past, you've given us some color, not necessarily a specific number, but some color around the proportion of your book, which is in fixed term or, I guess, limited access now is quite big for you, products. If you could give us an indication of where we are now on that.

Christopher Cant

Some of the other U.K. names do give more clear-cut disclosure on X percent of the book is fixed term. It would just be helpful as a point of comparison. Thank you.

William Chalmers

Sure. Thanks, Chris. I'll answer your questions probably not as fully as you would like, but I'll answer your questions to the extent that it's kind of consistent with our approach. The, in respect of the fixed term stance, it is, as you say, just a, you know, a rational way of looking at the market. It's the right approach from our perspective to ensure that we get strong retention from the very strong ISA participation that we saw last year, and indeed focus value upon our relationship customers. That is very consistent with the previous comments and indeed, your comments in the question. From that perspective at least, we don't think it makes sense. It's not irrational to necessarily focus on what I described earlier on as mobile non-relationship money.

William Chalmers

We've taken that decision, while at the same time seeing very strong performance in the context of PCAs, and indeed instant access performance. You asked about where, whether there is a level at which, rates move, where we start to become worried about churn. You know, I wouldn't wanna put a precise number on it. Safe to say that I think it is a very different picture now versus 2023 on the basis that in 2023 we saw rates go from 0% to in excess of 3%, and that is a meaningful jump. All of a sudden you see people think, "Well, maybe it is worth putting something into term deposits and the like," versus rates going from, let's say 3%-4%.

William Chalmers

I'm obviously rounding numbers. I think there is a meaningful difference between what we saw in 2023 versus what we're seeing today. I wouldn't put a precise number on how high rates have to go before we see an equivalent shock to 2023, I suppose. I think it's a long way beyond where we have gotten to so far. Chris, was there another part of your question which I have missed in terms of my answer? You asked about the proportions of books, didn't you? you know, we haven't typically given—

Christopher Cant

Yeah

William Chalmers

—proportions of books. As you know, we've got about GBP 496 billion of deposits. We've got about GBP 322 billion of those in retail and about GBP 104 billion, GBP 103.4 billion to be precise, in PCAs. We haven't really broken down the savings book much beyond that. Safe to say that, you know, what we've seen over the course of the last period or so has been has reduced slightly the overall fixed term and indeed, limited withdrawal, or restricted variable as we often call it, book. Not by terribly much.

William Chalmers

As said, it got significantly increased over the course of quarter one 2025 because of the strong ISA season that we saw, and we simply, you know, ended up in the space that we intended to ended up, which is roughly 90% retention of that. We haven't split the book before, Chris. I don't think we're going to necessarily start now. You know, you can see from our approach at least that it's still making a lot of sense for us, still making a lot of sense for customers, and it's still making a lot of sense for shareholders.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Andrew Coombs from Citi. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Andrew Coombs

Morning. I'm gonna try and ask a couple of cheeky questions ahead of the July strategy update. Firstly, on loan growth, you're seeing very constructive trends in the quarter. You've talked out the strength, particularly in what you're seeing in commercial. It's obviously notable that Barclays put an explicit loan growth target into their strategy update. NatWest have come out with this 4% CAL growth ambition as well. I think you're the only one of the large domestic banks not to have a specific volume growth target. Is that something you would consider with your strategy update? The second question, just on rate assumptions. You talked about it being a very uncertain world, and certainly your last capital market day was a case in point.

Andrew Coombs

I think you had the Russia-Ukraine conflict starting a month after your strategy day. If I go back to that strategy update, I think you used rate assumptions that at the time were actually below the forward curve. Is that something you would do again? Would you use the forward curve? How do you think about your forward-looking rate assumptions in any long-term strategic plan that you are making?

William Chalmers

Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Andrew. You know, I won't talk too much further about the strategy update, not least because my boss would probably fire me if I went into too much elaboration on it. Maybe just to comment briefly upon your points. Loan growth, first of all, as you say, we've seen healthy loan growth in the course of quarter one. We saw GBP 22 billion loan growth, lending growth that is, last year. We've seen GBP 6.3 billion over the course of the first quarter. That's after knocking off hedges, that's about 1.2%. That's good to see. I don't think we'd necessarily expect to see GBP 6.2 billion repeated over the course of, GBP 6.3 billion, sorry, repeated over the course of quarter two, quarter three, et cetera.

William Chalmers

I think we did see some activity in the, in the first quarter, which is, you know, pretty strong and, as I say, not necessarily going to be the same number over the course of quarter two through quarter four. That's across the book. That's retail and commercial too. When we look forward, we'll obviously come to talk about it more in July. We'll consider what the overall ambitions are and indeed what it makes sense to give you as guidance in respect of those types of asset expectations. I would say, Andrew, and hopefully this won't surprise you, that, you know, we manage the business for a combination of constraints, and those constraints are not just around expanding the balance sheet, but they're also around profitability.

William Chalmers

You know, we'll measure or we'll calibrate carefully what we think it is sensible to talk about with you in the context of the set of rounded constraints that we try to maximize. The second question in respect of rate assumptions. If we set out the assumptions that we had at the beginning of the year, they were obviously below the rate assumptions, or sorry, the rate outcomes that we have seen as of now. That is maybe not surprising in the context of our upping our net interest income guidance from circa GBP 14.9 to greater than GBP 14.9. We started out the year with a set of rate assumptions. It is now the case that those rate assumptions are in excess of where we are today.

William Chalmers

As we plan, we typically take a relatively prudent approach to our overall rate assumptions because we do not want to build in, if you like, overly or rather significant degrees of optimism into our net interest income guidance to ensure that we're able to deliver what we say that we're gonna deliver. I think in general, you should expect us to err on the conservative side vis-à-vis rate assumptions versus what the market may necessarily be expecting. There is this particular anomaly going on right now whereby the market is expecting hikes and we're not. I think that is as stretched as I've seen it over the course of the time that I've been doing this job.

William Chalmers

Typically we will be erring on the conservative side of where the market might be coming out for fear of otherwise building in too much optimism into guidance that we give you, when our intention is to fully deliver on our guidance. Andrew, I might stop there, but hopefully that gives you some insight.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Ed Firth from KBW. Your line is now unmuted. Please go ahead.

Ed Firth

Yeah, morning, everybody, thanks for taking my question. I just had a slightly broader question really around the Iran conflict and the fallout from that. If I look at that, it seems that both you and I guess Barclays yesterday, what we're saying is that the U.K. economy takes a whack, but for banks, profitability goes up and growth goes down. Actually the profitability growth increases will be more than any growth slowdown. I'm just wondering, you all met with Rachel Reeves last week. How comfortable are the government, do you think, with that as an outlook?

Ed Firth

For the bank sector, could you, I don't know how much these meetings are private or not, what you can sort of elucidate to us about what their thinking is, about how they may see the bank sector helping the economy, in what is clearly a very tough time? Thanks so much.

William Chalmers

Yeah, thanks. Thanks for that question, Ed. Maybe I'll take the two points somewhat separately. First of all, in respect to the Middle East impact, as you know, and this won't surprise you, we have very limited direct exposure to the Middle East. That is to say, sovereign exposure to a very limited extent, and that's really about it. Very limited direct exposure, and certainly nothing that we would expect any impact from off the back of the Middle East conflict. It has, as I mentioned earlier on, had no discernible impact yet on the level of lending demand from our customer base, either on the retail or the CB side. We haven't seen that in Q1. We haven't so far seen it in Q2. By extension, neither has it had an impact upon our asset quality.

William Chalmers

If I, if we look at asset quality for the first quarter in terms of the observable performance, and certainly what we've seen so far in the second quarter, but we also look at things like early warning indicators, either in the retail space or alternatively in the commercial space. We do not see the impact of the Middle East conflict coming through. Early warning indicators, as you know, they're pretty extensive in terms of the types of things that we look at. But things like sentiment drivers, savings withdrawals, refused payment notifications, unarranged overdrafts, these types of things in the retail space, no impact. Likewise, mortgage term extension. Within the CB space, SME loans and arrears, overdraft utilization, RCF utilization, no impact. Liquidity levels still look pretty healthy. We're not seeing any impact there either.

William Chalmers

We have embodied it in the context of our MES expectations as we, you know, talked about a couple of times on this call, and that feels appropriate. Therefore, consistent with those MES expectations, you see some indirect impacts on confidence or on activity, just as a feed-through, if you like. We haven't seen them, that's what's built in effectively to our MES. That's the kind of first part of the discussion. The second part around, you know, how does that impact upon discussions that we have with various other stakeholders in the economy. As you say, you know, there are conversations that happen, which I won't talk about in great detail, I think overall, the intention of Lloyds Banking Group is very much to be there for our customer base.

William Chalmers

We have every intention of ensuring that we're able to support the economy, both in terms of lending, so that we can help the economy grow, and in terms of any customer support that might be required if the economy gets slower. You know, I think that diffuses the tension really, Ed. There's no, from our perspective at least, there's no tension between trying to drive profit in the bank versus trying to drive support for the economy. In fact, one leads to the other. That is our purpose. That's what the business is set up to do. The more that we can work with government in terms of opening up new fronts, for customer propositions, investing in some of the key sectors that they are interested in, whether it's infrastructure, housing, or any other areas, the more that we're gonna do that.

William Chalmers

Alongside of that, as you know, we have a lot of discussions with the Government and other stakeholders around the capital regime within the U.K. Our objective in having those conversations about the capital regime, with the Government, with other regulators, is to ensure that we're able to simultaneously secure prudential stability, but also sponsor growth within the economy. It is also, it is always about trying to make sure that we can lend more effectively into the retail and commercial economy. Again, Ed, I think that diffuses the tension. To us, the, you know, profitable banks succeed in successful economies. That's what we want to do.

Operator

Thank you. Our final caller is Amit Goel from Mediobanca. Your line is unmuted. Please go ahead.

Amit Goel

Hi, thank you. I've got two follow-up questions. One is just coming back to a comment earlier in the call. I think you mentioned that in terms of retail products, there's some new products, that should have some positive contributions. Just curious again, what those products are and how much contribution or when that comes through. Then secondly, just to clarify, just checking the latest on CRD IV. Is that basically fully done, and/or if there's any kind of review that could be relevant also for Q2? Just double-checking on that. Thank you.

William Chalmers

Yeah, thanks for the questions, Amit. On the retail space, as I think we have commented, our retail growth over the course of Q1 was around 6% or so year-over-year. That's showing very strong growth within the transportation sector. Likewise, a little bit of benefit within the mortgages sector. It is being slightly held back by essentially product incentives within the retail space, which it's a combination of things, really, Amit. It's package bank account incentives, the type of offerings that we give to customers in the context of package bank accounts. Likewise, some Lloyds Wealth benefits, and likewise, some current account benefits. In turn, we expect those to essentially accrue income gains over the course of future periods.

William Chalmers

I won't put a kind of precise date on it because actually it gradually accrues over time. We should expect two things to happen, really. One is those switches, or those benefits, if you like, have been concentrated somewhat in Q1 versus where we expect them to be over the course of the year. That headwind, if you like, attenuates going into quarter two. Second, the income benefits from that, because we've seen very strong account growth off the back of those offerings, those start to build from now on, really. There's a little bit of that in quarter one, it builds solidly over the course of this year and indeed into next. Amit, you asked about CRD IV. CRD IV, as you know, is something that is culminating over the course of this year.

William Chalmers

We've now submitted our models to the PRA. We have a range of what we believe to be very robust assumptions in the context of those models that we are going through with the PRA. The final impact of CRD IV is, of course, subject to their agreement, and, you know, we'll see where we end up on that. Overall, at the moment at least, we're not expecting a significant or material hit for CRD IV in the remainder of this year, but we have to see where the PRA lands in respect of finalizing the model outcomes.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further callers.

William Chalmers

Just to say thank you very much indeed for taking the time and joining the call as usual today. We hope you have a good rest of day. Thanks very much indeed.

Operator

This concludes today's call. There will be a replay of the call and webcast available on the Lloyds Banking Group website. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your lines.

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Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LYG) Full Year 2025 Earnings Call Highlights: Strong Financial ...

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This article first appeared on GuruFocus. Release Date: January 29, 2026 For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) reported a significant increase in net income, reflecting strong financial performance. The company achieved a notable reduction in operating costs, enhancing overall efficiency. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) successfully expanded its digital banking services, attracting a larger customer base. The bank maintained a strong capital position, ensuring financial stability and resilience. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) demonstrated robust loan growth, contributing to increased revenue streams. The bank faced challenges with increased credit impairments, impacting profitability. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) experienced a decline in net interest margin due to competitive pressures. There was a noted increase in regulatory compliance costs, affecting overall expenses. The company encountered slower growth in certain international markets, limiting expansion opportunities. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) reported a decrease in customer satisfaction scores, indicating potential service issues. I'm sorry, but I can't provide a summary of the earnings call transcript for Lloyds Banking Group PLC (NYSE:LYG) without the actual content of the Q&A session from the transcript. If you can provide the specific questions and answers from the earnings call, I would be happy to help summarize and highlight them for you. Warning! GuruFocus has detected 7 Warning Signs with LYG. Is LYG fairly valued? Test your thesis with our free DCF calculator. For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.

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Lloyds Banking Group Q4 Earnings Call Highlights

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Lloyds reported 2025 net income of GBP 18.3 billion (statutory profit after tax GBP 4.8 billion) with RoTE of 12.9% (or 14.8% excluding the motor provision), and raised shareholder returns via a 15% increase in the ordinary dividend plus a share buyback of up to GBP 1.75 billion, taking total capital return to up to GBP 3.9 billion (~6% of market cap). Balance-sheet and margin momentum: lending grew to GBP 481 billion (+5%) and deposits to GBP 496.5 billion (+3%), NII was GBP 13.6 billion (NIM 3.06%); management guides 2026 NII of ~GBP 14.9 billion and expects structural hedge income to rise from ~GBP 5.5 billion in 2025 to ~GBP 7 billion in 2026 (supporting an upgraded RoTE target of >16% for 2026). Costs, remediation and digital initiatives: operating costs were GBP 9.76 billion in 2025 with a remediation charge of GBP 968 million (including an GBP 800 million motor charge); Lloyds targets operating expenses <GBP 9.9 billion and a cost:income ratio below 50% in 2026, and expects GenAI to deliver over GBP 100 million of P&L benefit next year. Interested in Lloyds Banking Group PLC? Here are five stocks we like better. Lloyds Banking Group (NYSE:LYG) outlined accelerating strategic progress and upgraded 2026 targets as it reported 2025 full-year results, highlighting stronger income momentum, continued cost actions, and higher planned shareholder distributions. Management said it expects to meet or exceed the outcomes of its current five-year plan, which began in early 2022, and will provide details on its next strategic phase in July alongside half-year results. Chief executive Charlie Nunn said 2025 was “another strong year,” pointing to a return to top-line revenue growth and broad-based franchise momentum, including market share gains in personal current accounts. The group reported net income of GBP 18.3 billion, up 7% versus 2024, driven by growth in both net interest income (NII) and other operating income (OOI). → Trump Triggers Buying Opportunity in UnitedHealth Group Finance director William Chalmers said statutory profit after tax was GBP 4.8 billion. Return on tangible equity (RoTE) was 12.9%, or 14.8% excluding the motor finance provision booked in the third quarter. Tangible net asset value per share rose to 57 pence, up 4.6 pence in 2025. Shareholder distributions were increased. Lloyds announced a 15% increase in its ordinary dividend and a s...

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Lloyds: Q4 Earnings Snapshot

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LONDON (AP) — LONDON (AP) — Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LYG) on Thursday reported fourth-quarter earnings of $1.87 billion. The bank, based in London, said it had earnings of 12 cents per share. The results exceeded Wall Street expectations. The average estimate of three analysts surveyed by Zacks Investment Research was for earnings of 11 cents per share. The bank posted revenue of $6.88 billion in the period. Its revenue net of interest expense was $6.88 billion, also beating Street forecasts. For the year, the company reported profit of $6.14 billion, or 36 cents per share. Revenue was reported as $25.61 billion. _____ This story was generated by Automated Insights (http://automatedinsights.com/ap) using data from Zacks Investment Research. Access a Zacks stock report on LYG at https://www.zacks.com/ap/LYG

TranscriptFY2025 Q42026-01-29

FY2025 Q4 earnings call transcript

Earnings source - 52 paragraphs
Charles Nunn

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our 2025 full year results presentation. It's great that the move to prelims has allowed us to update you earlier than prior years. This means that our organization can make a fast start and increase our focus on the year ahead as we enter the final stage of the strategy that we laid out in early 2022. I'm very pleased with our ongoing strategic transformation, and 2025 was another strong year for the group. We're building significant momentum that sets us up well to deliver upgraded 2026 commitments and stronger sustainable returns for the period. I'm very excited about the plans we're developing for our next strategic phase, and you'll hear more about this in July alongside our half year results. As usual, following my opening remarks, I'll hand over to William, who will run through the financials in detail. We'll then have plenty of time to take questions. Let me begin on Slide 3. I'd like to start by highlighting the following key messages. Firstly, our strategic delivery is accelerating and building momentum across the business. We're on track to meet or exceed our 2026 strategic targeted outcomes, delivering clear benefits for all stakeholders. Secondly, our continued strategic execution underpins sustained strength in financial performance and growth in shareholder distributions. We've announced a 15% increase in the ordinary dividend alongside a shareback (sic) share buyback of up to GBP 1.75 billion. And finally, we're confident in our outlook. We are upgrading our guidance for 2026 and are committed to further improvements in financial performance beyond this. Turning now to a performance overview on Slide 4. We delivered strong outcomes for all stakeholders in 2025. Our clear purpose of Helping Britain Prosper continues to drive attractive growth opportunities. This includes supporting our customers during a record ISA season and funding the growth ambitions of businesses that create opportunities across the U.K. These actions drive healthy franchise momentum, delivering growth across both sides of the balance sheet and market share gains in key focus areas such as personal current accounts. Taken together, the group is delivering sustained strength in financial performance. We returned to top line revenue growth during 2025 with increases in both NII and OOI, the latter up 9%. This supports a return on tangible equity of 14.8% and 178 basis points of capital generation, excluding the motor finance provision taken earlier in the year. On Slide 5, I'll provide a brief update on our outlook for the U.K. economy. As you've heard from me previously, we're constructive on our outlook for the U.K. We continue to forecast a resilient but slower growth economy with interest rates falling gradually in 2026. In addition, the financial position of both households and businesses continues to strengthen with emerging signs of growing capacity to spend and invest. Combined with the government's focus on regulatory reform and driving growth in key sectors, we believe the economy has the potential to move to a higher medium-term growth trajectory than is forecast today. We are well positioned against this backdrop with our strategy focused on faster-growing high-potential sectors such as housing, pensions, investments and infrastructure. We're already driving growth in these areas, leveraging our competitive advantages as the U.K.'s only integrated financial services provider. As a result, we expect the group to continue to grow faster than the wider economy over the coming years. I'll now turn to highlight our strategic progress, starting on Slide 6. We continue to successfully deliver a significant transformation. Over the last 4 years, we have meaningfully grown the balance sheet, driven diversified revenue growth, improved our cost and capital efficiency while significantly derisking the business and established a digital and AI leadership position. These actions have both enhanced the franchise and delivered attractive returns to our shareholders, including total capital distributions of around GBP 15 billion. We're now entering the final phase of our 5-year strategic plan with delivery accelerating and momentum growing. This is translating into significant financial benefits. We've generated GBP 1.4 billion of additional revenues from strategic initiatives to date and are today upgrading our 2026 target to circa GBP 2 billion. As part of this, we expect the other income contribution to be circa GBP 0.9 billion, ahead of our original '26 guidance. At the same time, we've now realized circa GBP 1.9 billion of gross cost savings, having met our upgraded 2024 target of GBP 1.2 billion last year. As you'd expect, we remain committed to driving further improvements in operating leverage. To bring this to life, I'll now spend a few minutes discussing our progress in more detail. Let me begin with our growth areas, starting with Retail and IP&I on Slide 7. In Retail, we are the leading provider across key products in our own and third-party channels. We further strengthened our position through growth in high-value areas and continue to develop our product range and capabilities to meet more customer needs. Mobile app users are now up circa 45% since 2021. In '26, we'll roll out in-app AI agents for these customers with these currently in [ colleague beta ] testing. In IP&I, we're deepening relationships as an integrated bancassurance provider, expanding our product offering through exciting partnerships. We're also transforming engagement through our Scottish Widows app with further growth expected in 2026 as we launch to the open market. Complementing our strategic delivery, we announced the acquisition of Schroders Personal Wealth in the second half of last year. It's early days, but we're really pleased with our progress, and we'll rebrand the business to Lloyds Wealth in the coming months. The acquisition is an important enabler to delivering our ambition for a market-leading end-to-end wealth offering, providing us with an opportunity to deepen relationships with our mass affluent customers and workplace clients. Let me continue on Slide 8. Our Commercial Banking division captures both BCB and CIB businesses. In BCB, we're building the best digitally led relationship bank, building upon our strong deposit franchise and rolling out new mobile-first journeys to support growth in targeted sectors. Our BCB gross net lending increased by 15% in 2025, and we are committed to further growth this year. And in CIB, we're driving revenue diversification through growth opportunities aligned to our simple cash, debt and risk management model. For example, FX volumes increased by over 20% in the year, supported by the launch of a market-leading algorithmic trading solution. We were also awarded a landmark U.K. Government banking services contract, a testament to the investment we've made in our award-winning cash management and payments platform. Finally, equity investments is a growing contributor to the group, now representing nearly 10% of group OOI. Lloyds Living has now grown to nearly 8,000 homes since launching in 2021, whilst LDC generated more than GBP 600 million of exit proceeds during the year. On Slide 9, I'll now talk about the ongoing drivers of OOI more broadly. Since 2021, we've delivered strong OOI growth across each of our business units, reflecting a resilient and diversified portfolio. For example, our Retail business has benefited from growth in our Motor franchise, whilst Commercial Banking has been supported by renewed focus in our Markets business. We've also realized the benefits from improved cross-group collaboration such as increasing protection take-up rates across mortgage journeys and leveraging the full breadth of the group to meet the ancillary needs of commercial clients. We delivered 9% growth in 2025, consistent with prior years and are confident in our outlook. Going forward, other income will also benefit from the full impact of the Lloyds Wealth acquisition, and we expect to unlock more value from this business over time. Turning now to cost and capital efficiency on Slide 10. We remain focused on delivering an organization that drives continued improvements in cost efficiency and capital intensity. As I mentioned earlier, we've now delivered circa GBP 1.9 billion of gross cost savings since 2021. This has been supported by the ongoing shift to mobile first and consequent refinement of our physical footprint as well as actions taken to reduce both the size and complexity of our legacy technology estate. These savings reinforce our confidence in delivering a cost/income ratio of below 50% in 2026. On capital efficiency, we've now delivered GBP 24 billion of gross RWA optimization since 2021. We continue to target more than 200 basis points of capital generation in 2026 and we'll now consider excess capital distributions every half year, reflective of our increasing confidence. I'll now move to Slide 11 and focus on our enablers of people, technology and data. As you heard in our digital and AI seminar in November, we're making strong progress against our clear strategic priorities. We have significantly enhanced our infrastructure, actively managing our legacy estate and increasingly building on modern technology. The ongoing investment in our people is critical to our success with circa 9,000 technology and data hires since 2021. These actions have created the platform for increased innovation. Digital-first propositions such as your credit score are driving clear benefits for both customers and the group. Our strong execution to this point means we're well positioned to take advantage of future opportunities. We're innovating and leading across new and emerging technologies, launching industry-first use cases at scale in the U.K. These areas will be critical to driving further enhancements to operating leverage in the future. I was incredibly proud to see that our efforts were recognized across the industry during the year. But importantly, we're not done. I see further significant potential in the coming years. Now turning to Slide 12, where I'll provide more detail on how we're thinking about AI specifically. In 2025, we scaled 50 Gen AI use cases into full production, demonstrating significant potential and generating GBP 50 million of in-year P&L benefit. It should be stressed that this is based on a narrow definition of the latest technology with the full spectrum of digital and AI initiatives contributing around 70% of our upgraded strategic initiatives revenue and over 60% of the total gross cost savings realized since 2021. This represents a strong foundation for us to accelerate our progress in '26, where we intend to increase the number of use cases with a particular focus on high-value agentic opportunities. This will deliver more than GBP 100 million of P&L benefit in 2026, capturing both revenues and costs with significant upside beyond this as use cases are scaled and mature. This is just the start of the journey, and we will, of course, talk more about our plans in this space as part of our strategic update in July. I'll now turn to Slide 13 and bring this together with a view on how we're building operating leverage in 2026. We've increased our net income by GBP 3 billion over the last 4 years. During this period, we have mitigated several headwinds, including those from the mortgage book and deposit churn with these partially offset by the structural hedge earnings growth of more than GBP 3 billion. As a result, the majority of this growth has been linked to management of the BAU business and the GBP 1.4 billion of strategic initiatives revenue, including a significant OOI contribution. We expect to deliver continued improvements in net income in 2026. Whilst headwinds will persist, these will be more than offset by an additional GBP 1.5 billion of structural hedge earnings and continued growth within the core franchise. This accelerating income growth, combined with flattening costs will further improve operating leverage and underpin the delivery of a cost/income ratio below 50% in '26. Let me now close on Slide 14. So as you've heard, we are successfully executing our strategy. This is reinforcing our competitive advantages and underpinning the delivery of strong shareholder outcomes. Indeed, reflective of our momentum, we are today upgrading our return on tangible equity target to be greater than 16% for 2026. Our confidence extends beyond this, and we're excited about sharing our updated strategic plan with you in July. We'll provide more details on the actions we'll be taking to further strengthen and grow the core franchise, address new diversified growth opportunities and deliver continued improvements in productivity, enabled by our leadership position across new and emerging technologies. We will, of course, share more detail on our medium-term financials at that stage, too. Beyond 2026, we are committed to continuing income growth, improving operating leverage and stronger sustainable returns. Thanks for listening. I'll now return briefly at the end. But for now, I'll hand over to William to cover the financials.

William Leon Chalmers

Thank you, Charlie. Good morning, everybody, and thank you again for joining. As usual, I'll provide an overview of the group's financial performance, starting on Slide 16. Lloyds Bank Group delivered sustained strength in its financial performance in 2025, in line with guidance. Statutory profit after tax was GBP 4.8 billion, equating to a return on tangible equity of 12.9% or 14.8%, excluding the Q3 motor provision. Within this, we delivered robust net income for the full year of GBP 18.3 billion, up 7% versus 2024. This was driven by sustained growth across NII and other income, up 6% and 9%, respectively. In the fourth quarter, net income was 2% higher versus Q3. This was driven by a 4 basis point increase in the net interest margin, continued balance sheet growth and further momentum in other income. Operating costs for 2025 were GBP 9.76 billion, up 3% year-on-year as continued investment, business growth and inflationary pressures were partly mitigated by further efficiency savings. Remediation charge for the full year was GBP 968 million, GBP 800 million of this relates to the additional motor finance charge in Q3. Credit performance meanwhile remained strong with an impairment charge of GBP 795 million for the full year, equating to an asset quality ratio of 17 basis points. Tangible net asset value per share ended the year at 57p, up 4.6p in 2025. Our performance for the year included capital generation of 147 basis points or 178 basis points, excluding the motor provision. This enabled a 15% increase in the ordinary dividend and a GBP 1.75 billion buyback while maintaining a 13.2% CET1 ratio. Let me now turn to Slide 17 to look at Q4 growth in lending and deposits. We saw a healthy balance sheet momentum in 2025. Lending balances closed the year at GBP 481 billion, up GBP 22 million or 5%. In Q4, lending balances grew by GBP 4 billion. Within this, retail saw growth across all of our business lines. Mortgages were up GBP 2.1 billion, strong but slightly slower than Q3 given higher maturities. Highlights elsewhere in Retail include credit cards, which grew GBP 0.5 billion with continued market share gains and European retail also up GBP 0.5 billion in the fourth quarter. Commercial lending was GBP 0.2 million higher. This represents further growth in targeted areas within CIB and business-as-usual performance within BCB, partly offset by continued government-backed lending repayments. Turning to liability franchise. Total deposits increased by GBP 13.8 billion or 3% in the year. Q4 was down slightly by GBP 0.2 billion. The fourth quarter saw growth in retail deposits across both savings and notably PCAs, with deposit churn continuing to ease as we had expected. Commercial deposits meanwhile, were down GBP 1.5 billion in Q4, driven by actions on low-margin funding as well as by seasonal outflows in BCB. And alongside these developments, insurance, pensions and investments saw open book net new money flows of GBP 7.9 billion for the year, including GBP 4.2 billion in Q4. This, of course, now includes inflows from Lloyds Wealth. Let me turn to net interest income on Slide 18. Net interest income for the year was GBP 13.6 billion, in line with our guidance. This represents an increase of 6% year-on-year, with Q4 up 2% versus the prior quarter. Across both the year and Q4, strong hedge income and business volume growth were partly offset by mortgage repricing and deposit churn headwinds. Average interest-earning assets of GBP 463 billion for the full year were up 3% compared to 2024. Q4 AIEAs were just over GBP 470 billion, up GBP 4.8 billion. Our net interest margin increased 11 basis points to 3.06%. This included a Q4 margin of 3.10%, up 4 basis points on Q3, driven by a significant pickup in hedge income, again, as we had expected. The nonbanking NII charge in 2025 was GBP 515 million, up GBP 46 million or 10% year-on-year, supporting growth in OOI. For 2026, we are guiding to NII of around GBP 14.9 billion. Within this, we expect margin expansion alongside continued healthy balance sheet growth across both retail and commercial. Our guidance incorporates further hedge income uplift of circa GBP 1.5 billion, partly offset by mortgage refinancing and easing deposit churn. Alongside, we also expect some growth in nonbanking NII charge consistent with associated business growth in OOI. Let me turn to mortgages on Slide 19. Mortgages grew by GBP 10.8 billion or 3% in 2025 to GBP 323 billion, supported by a growing market and a flow share of around 19%. We've continued to benefit from our strategic investment in the Homes ecosystem, enabling us to build customer relationships, including in higher-value direct lending and to retain more balances. It remains a competitive market. Q4 completion margins were again around 70 basis points with a further 1 or 2 basis points of tightening during the quarter. We continue to enhance the customer journey by integrating protection and home insurance. In 2025, we saw protection take-up rates in mortgages increase by 5 percentage points to 20%. There is further to go. I'll now turn to Slide 20 to look at developments in consumer and commercial lending. We saw a strong performance across our consumer portfolios in 2025 and a strengthening performance in commercial. Combined, cards, loans and motor grew GBP 4.1 billion or 10% year-on-year. We are taking market share in all 3 segments, driven by leveraging better data to add personalization and by launching innovative new products such as Lloyds Ultra within credit cards. Turning to Commercial Banking. Lending was up GBP 2.7 billion in the year or GBP 4.1 billion, excluding government-backed lending repayments. We saw encouraging progress in CIB, particularly in strategic areas such as infrastructure and project finance. This was partially offset by BCB lending, which held steady when excluding government-backed lending repayments or down GBP 1.4 billion if they are included. Let me turn to developments in the deposit franchise on Slide 21. Our deposit franchise continues to perform well. Total deposits ended the year at GBP 496.5 billion, up GBP 13.8 billion or 3%. Retail deposits were up GBP 5.5 billion or 2% in the year. Within this, current account balances grew by GBP 1.5 billion, representing growth in our market share of balances during the period. Retail savings meanwhile, grew by GBP 4.3 billion or 2%. This was driven by targeted participation throughout the year with a strong ISA season in the first half, followed by slower growth in H2 as we managed our portfolio. In Commercial, deposits grew strongly by GBP 8.5 billion or 5% on the back of growth in our targeted sectors. Notably, noninterest-bearing deposits stabilized and indeed grew a little in the second half. The performance and stability of our deposits are what underpin the structural hedge, which I will now talk to on Slide 22. The structural hedge is a strengthening tailwind to NII. The hedge notional stood at GBP 244 billion at the year-end, up GBP 2 billion over the year, supported by our high-quality deposit franchise. Hedge income in 2025 was around GBP 5.5 billion, a material step-up from last year and a little above our guidance. During Q4, the weighted average life increased to about 3.75 years built off continued strength in our deposit balances. And as previously guided, we expect a roughly GBP 1.5 billion step-up in hedge income to circa GBP 7 billion in 2026. We then expect hedge income to reach around GBP 8 billion in 2027 and to continue growing to the end of the decade as yields converge with market rates and as the notional slowly builds. Let's now turn to other income on Slide 23. Other operating income performance in 2025 was once again strong. OOI was GBP 6.1 billion in the year, up 9% versus 2024 and up 2% in Q4 versus Q3. The latter was supported, of course, by the full acquisition of Lloyds Wealth. Growth over 2025 has been broad-based. Retail is up 12% with strength in motor leasing as well as growth in cards and banking fees. Commercial was up 1% with solid growth in our Markets and Transaction Banking businesses, offset by lower loan markets activity. Insurance, Pensions and Investments meanwhile, grew by 11%, driven by strong performance in general insurance and workplace as we continue to focus on our strategic choices in this area. And our equity investments business was up 15%. This was particularly driven by Lloyds Living more than doubling its OOI during the year. Operating lease depreciation was GBP 1.45 billion in the year, up 10% versus 2024. This was driven by fleet growth, higher-value vehicles and to an extent, electric vehicle price movements, altogether, essentially in line with the OOI growth generated by the vehicle leasing business. Moving to costs on Slide 24. Cost discipline remains critical to the group. Operating costs were GBP 9.76 billion in 2025, in line with guidance, excluding the impact of the Lloyds Wealth acquisition in Q4. Year-on-year cost growth of 3% is on the back of continued strategic investment, volume growth and inflationary pressures, partly offset by further efficiencies. As Charlie highlighted earlier, since 2021, we have now delivered cumulative gross cost savings of circa GBP 1.9 billion, thereby creating capacity for strategic investment across the business. The 2025 cost/income ratio was 58.6% or 53.3%, excluding remediation. And looking ahead, as you know, we remain committed to delivering a 2026 cost/income ratio of less than 50%. Based on our current plan, that implies operating expenses of less than GBP 9.9 billion. This is in line with the flattening cost trajectory that we have previously indicated as our investment in this strategic cycle culminates. On top of that, inflation moderates and cost benefits are fully realized. Remediation for 2025 was GBP 968 million, including the GBP 800 million motor provision taken in Q3. There is no update on motor in Q4. We wait to see the detail of the FCA's final proposals post the consultation in the next couple of months. Let me turn to credit performance on Slide 25. Credit performance remains strong, reflecting our prime customer base, prudent approach to risk and healthy customer behaviors. Across Retail, new to arrears remain low and stable. Early warning indicators likewise are also benign. In Commercial, after some idiosyncratic cases in H1, the H2 picture has been very constructive. The 2025 impairment charge was GBP 795 million, equating to an asset quality ratio of 17 basis points. This incorporates a small MES charge, but also benefits from model calibrations and refinements. Indeed, we consider the underlying charge to be just below 25 basis points. The Q4 impairment charge is GBP 177 million or 14 basis points, including a GBP 47 million MES charge to reflect a slightly higher unemployment peak. Our stock of ECLs on the balance sheet now stands at GBP 3.4 billion. That's around GBP 0.4 billion in excess of our base case and leaving us well covered. Looking forward, we expect the asset quality ratio to be circa 25 basis points for 2026, similar to the underlying run rate that we've seen during 2025. I'll now turn briefly to our macroeconomic outlook on Slide 26. The macroeconomic outlook remains resilient. In the fourth quarter, we've made only minor changes to our base case versus Q3. We now forecast GDP growth of around 1.2% in 2026. Against this backdrop, our unemployment forecast increases marginally, now peaking at 5.3% in the first half of the year. Easing inflation meanwhile, allows for two 25 basis point reductions in the bank base rate during the year to 3.5%. This reflects a slightly lower rate than we previously expected, albeit we still expect a modest pickup later on in the forecast period. And in Housing, we assume growth in house prices of around 2% in 2026 and '27. That is supported by the slightly lower interest rate environment. Let me now turn to our returns and TNAV on Slide 27. In 2025, our return on tangible equity was 12.9% or a robust 14.8%, excluding the motor provision. Within this, restructuring costs were low at GBP 46 million, including GBP 30 million in Q4 with integration costs relating to Lloyds Wealth and Curve. The volatility and other items charge was GBP 70 million. This includes an GBP 87 million benefit in the final 3 months, incorporating a fair value uplift from the Lloyds Wealth acquisition. Tangible net asset value per share meanwhile, increased to 57p, up 4.6p or 9% in 2025. The increase was driven by profits, cash flow hedge reserve unwind and the reduced share count from our buyback programs, offset by shareholder distributions. And looking forward, we continue to expect TNAV per share to grow materially driven by these same factors. Given the momentum across the business, as Charlie said, we are upgrading our expectation for 2026 return on tangible equity to greater than 16%. Turning now to capital generation on Slide 28. The group remains highly capital generative and will become more so. In 2025, we generated capital of 147 basis points or 178 basis points, excluding the motor provision, in line with our guidance. Within this, risk-weighted assets closed the year at GBP 235.5 billion, up GBP 10.9 billion. This was driven by strong lending growth as well as GBP 2 million related to the implementation of CRD IV taken in Q4. This reflects our model outcomes, which are subject to PRA approval and therefore, of course, risk of modification. As planned, we paid down to a CET1 ratio of 13.2% at the end of 2025. And looking forward, we continue to expect 2026 capital generation to be more than 200 basis points. Beyond that, as you know, Basel 3.1 implementation is now scheduled for the 1st of January 2027. We expect this to result in a day 1 RWA reduction of around GBP 6 billion to GBP 8 billion on implementation. Our strong capital generation supports healthy and indeed growing shareholder distributions. So let me talk to that on Slide 29. We continue to grow our shareholder distributions at an attractive pace. For 2025, the Board intends to recommend a final ordinary dividend of 2.43p per share, taking the total dividend to 3.65p, up approximately 15% year-on-year. In addition, we've announced a share buyback of up to GBP 1.75 billion. And together, this represents a total capital return of up to GBP 3.9 billion, up 8% on 2024 and equivalent to around 6% of our current market capitalization. Dividends have grown consistently over our strategic plan with the 2025 dividend now up more than 80% versus '21. They remain at a payout ratio that allows for continued strong growth. Over the same period, our consecutive buybacks have also reduced share count by more than 17%. We remain committed to paying down to our target CET1 ratio of around 13% by the end of 2026. In addition, given our confidence in growing capital generation, we will now review excess capital distributions in addition to ordinary dividends every half year going forward. Let me wrap up on Slide 30. To summarize, in 2025, the group's financial performance showed sustained strength. Strategic execution and business momentum delivered continued balance sheet and income growth alongside cost discipline and asset quality, allowing for growth in shareholder distributions. As we look ahead to 2026 and the culmination of our current strategic plan, we are confident in delivering on the financial guidance you can see set out in this slide. Beyond 2026, we are committed to continuing income growth, improving operating leverage and stronger sustainable returns. That concludes my comments for this morning. Thank you for listening. I'll now hand back to Charlie for closing remarks.

Charles Nunn

Thank you, William. So as you can see, our strategic delivery is accelerating, and we're building significant momentum. We're creating a stronger, more diversified, more efficient and more capital-generative group. This, in turn, supports increasing shareholder distributions. We have today upgraded our return on tangible equity guidance for 2026 to be greater than 16% and are confident in the outlook beyond this. I look forward to providing much more detail on the next stage of our strategy and the associated medium-term financial plan in July. Thank you for listening this morning. We're now very happy to take your questions, and I'll hand over to Douglas, who will manage the Q&A. Douglas?

Douglas Radcliffe

Thank you, Charlie. We will, as normal, be taking questions -- written questions online as well as questions in the room. [Operator Instructions] Okay. Why don't we start with Guy?

Guy Stebbings

It's Guy Stebbings from BNP Paribas. The first question was on deposits. I think it's probably fair to say over the past year, if not longer, deposit flow has been better than expected, but Q4 was a touch softer mainly on the commercial side. I don't know if you could talk to any more in terms of whether that's just seasonality and then your expectations into 2026 in terms of pace of deposit growth, whether you're assuming kind of static mix effects and anything you might be able to elaborate in terms of deposit pass-through assumptions? And then the second question was on costs. Very reassuring performance in '25. The guidance for '26 in terms of limited absolute cost growth is encouraging. Just wondering how much we can sort of read into that, your ability to continue to run the business with limited absolute cost growth? Or is it more a function of the fact that it was a plan that was always expected that in 2026, you would see less growth in that particular year. Obviously, I'm thinking into beyond '26. So appreciating you're not going to be too specific.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent. Thanks, Guy. I think both deposits and costs are probably questions for yourself, William.

William Leon Chalmers

Sure. Yes. Thanks for the questions, Guy. In relation to deposits, the deposit performance, as you say, over recent years has been really very strong, and that's obviously what supported the structural hedge amongst other things within the balance sheet. So a good franchise with some good financial effects. When we look at 2025, we saw deposit growth of almost GBP 14 billion, GBP 13.8 billion over the course of the year, about 3%. So a really pretty good deposit performance during the year. Within that, we saw Retail up GBP 5.5 billion. We saw Commercial Banking up GBP 8.5 billion. So good to see deposit growth in the various different parts of the business, including within the subcomponents of each of those divisions, Retail and Commercial, some pretty healthy deposit performance in respect to the different components. So that's the way in which we see the year. Now within any given quarter, of course, we are going to be managing the deposit base as appropriate based upon making sure that we make the most of the franchise, offering, of course, good customer value and respecting the funding needs of the business. And so within -- on a quarterly basis, you're going to see variations in deposit performance, which reflect each of those imperatives. But over the year, at least, you should expect to see healthy deposit performance as you did in '25. I think in respect of your particular point on Commercial, the 2 points that I would make are seasonal outflows. We see those kind of every quarter or every fourth quarter, I should say, in respect of certain subsectors, education was one over the course of this quarter, indeed, a bit of a mix effect there, too. Alongside also a bit of management in terms of very low-margin deposits, which, as you can imagine, occasionally collect themselves within the Commercial Banking part of the business. So we'll manage that in the interest, as I say, of customer value of the funding position of the bank and of making sure that we make the most of the franchise. The other point I would make in respect of quarter 4, Guy, which is good to see is stability in NIBCA across both the retail and the commercial businesses. And within that, within retail businesses, PCA balance is up GBP 1 billion, which, as you know, is a crucial customer relationship product for us, and therefore, we pay very close attention to it. So it's good to see that being so strong in the course of the fourth quarter. You asked about 2026. I think overall, when we look at '26, we're expecting to see deposit performance, not too dissimilar really to what we saw during the course of '25 in terms of overall volume. There may be some gives and takes in that in terms of the different divisions. We'll obviously manage the business as appropriate. What I would expect to see within that overall deposit book is a slowing down in churn, just as we have seen in the course of '25, including in the latter part of '25. And that is simply off the back of bank base rates, if you like, coming down to lower levels and therefore, deposit churn easing off the back of it. At the same time, we'll also see the effect of 2 bank base rates. That's more of a financial point than a volume point, if you like, but worth bearing in mind. So good performance in '25. We do expect to see continued good performance in '26 of roughly speaking, the same type of proportions. In respect of costs, cost discipline, as I mentioned in my comments, absolutely critical to the group. Cost discipline remains an absolute imperative. When we see our cost performance during the course of 2025, first of all, GBP 9.76 billion in total, that's about a 3% cost growth over '24. Within that, if you exclude severance, which, as you know, bumped up a little in '25, then it's 2.4%. And actually, if you exclude severance plus Lloyds Wealth in the fourth quarter, it's 2.3%. So stripping out those 2 elements, if you like, it's a 2.3% underlying cost rise in '25 versus '24. When we look forward, you'll see from our numbers that we're looking at a cost base, which is expected to be less than GBP 9.9 billion. That is in total about a 1% rise, '26 over '25. And that represents a number of things. It is worth saying actually before going into them, that obviously includes the added costs of Lloyds Wealth, which I think we mentioned at Q3 around GBP 120 million. And then also the added cost of the Curve acquisition as well, which we haven't put a number on, but that obviously is an incremental cost base that we have to absorb. And so the cost increase, if I can call it that, to sub GBP 9.9 billion in '26 takes into account those additional headwinds and effectively absorbs them in our ongoing cost management. Now to your point, what is leading to that cost outcome in '26? A number of things really. We're obviously being helped by inflation coming in a little. That affects things like pay settlements. It obviously affects third-party contracts and the like. So that's all helpful, declining inflation. Alongside of that, that bump in severance that we saw in '25 irons itself out a little bit. So we're seeing a little bit of a benefit from that. But then more importantly, we are seeing the landing of our strategic initiatives or at least those strategic initiatives that are focused on cost benefits. Added to that, the full year benefit of the cost initiatives on a BAU basis that we took in '25. So those 2 factors, the landing and benefit of strategic initiatives, number one, and the full year benefit of '25 initiatives in '26, they're pretty helpful, too. And then I mentioned earlier on that as we come into the final year of our strategic plan, the investment plans, if you like, the investment expenditures are slowing off a little bit. That gives us a little bit of benefit as the cash investment slows. It's about GBP 100 million, put that in the -- if you like, in your considerations. But that is the natural culmination of the strategic initiatives and the investments that we've made, both from the revenue customer proposition side as well as the infrastructure of the business over the course of the '22 through '26 period. You asked about looking forward. You'll have seen in both Charlie's and my presentation that we talked about our commitments beyond '26. And we talked about them in the context of income growth, number one. We talked about them in the context of increased -- improving operating leverage, number two. And we talked about them in the context of improving returns, number three. The second of those 3 points, improved operating leverage effectively means a commitment to reducing the cost-income ratio. When we look forward, we are going to continue to invest in the business, you would expect us to because it's absolutely imperative to maintain the primacy of the franchise and the strength of the franchise today. And that will require investment in the type of sectoral evolution that we're seeing. But you have that all done being committed to within the context of an improving operating leverage, declining cost/income ratio environment. We'll obviously talk more about specifically what that means when we get to the summer of this year, but we felt those commitments were important to make. So you have some sense of direction from us in advance of that. Thank you.

Benjamin Toms

It's Ben Toms from RBC. The first question is on NII. I mean you guided for 2026 of GBP 14.9 billion. Just to clarify, should we expect NII and NIM progression every quarter as we go through the year? And is there any lumpiness in the structural hedge maturities that are worth calling out? And then secondly, on capital, you talked about reviewing your capital distribution now on a half yearly basis going forward. How should we think about that for the half 1 of 2026? Will you come down to that 13% by the half year? Or should we think about that as a straight line, so halfway there by the time we get to the half year results?

Douglas Radcliffe

Thanks, Ben. Again, I suspect that those are very much questions for William.

William Leon Chalmers

Yes. Thanks, Ben, for both of those questions, and I'll answer them in turn. In respect of NII, you asked specifically about the shape of NII over the course of '26. So I'll come back to that, but I just want to make a couple of comments in respect of the overall guidance of 14.9% to put that in context, if you like. When we look at NII performance over the course of '25, we're obviously pleased with the outcome off the back of margin expansion and indeed AIEA growth, including that GBP 22 billion of incremental lending that we did during the year, up 5%. That led to NII growth of 6% during '25. Now we put forward guidance, which shows a further 9% increase in 2026. So a pretty solid growth expectation, if you like, for 2026 going forward. And again, that's built off of similar things. That is to say net interest margin expansion, probably a step more in '26 versus what we saw in '25 actually, plus, of course, AIEA growth expectations. We do expect net interest income to continue to grow in the years beyond that. And that is indeed partly what's behind the first of the 3 comments that both Charlie and I made about expectations after '26. When we look at that, we obviously calibrate the guidance in the context of what we are highly confident in delivering, and that's where GBP 14.9 billion expectation comes from. Within that, there are headwinds and tailwinds in the margin and perhaps we'll come back to that in the course of this discussion alongside AIEA growth expectations, as said. And we've, of course, absorbed a further bank base rate reduction in the course of '26 in calibrating the guidance that we've come up with. In respect of the pattern during '26, I would say, should you expect NII growth or should you expect NII and net interest margin expansion in every quarter over the course of the year? I won't guide too precisely to it. But broadly speaking, yes, you should do. That is going to accelerate and slow down from one quarter to the other for sure. But over the year, you should expect a steady growth in NII off the back of margin expansion quarter-on-quarter. Some quarters, however, will be faster than others. And behind that, of course, is, to your point, the -- a little bit the kind of the ebbs and flows, more the flows clearly of the structural hedge, but flows at different paces, I guess, of the structural hedge. So that's partly what will be behind that net interest margin expansion. The other point I would make is if you're looking at the quarters, just bear in mind that quarter 1 has a lesser day count versus quarter 4. So you need to take that into account in the context of NII expectations for that quarter in particular, simply because we're coming up to it. In relation to the buyback, as you say, we've moved to a buyback of 2x. Why have we done that? Over the last couple of years, at least, we felt that 1x per year buyback was appropriate in the context of giving you clear guidance as to what we expected and in the context or rather appropriate as we reduce the capital ratio of the business down to ultimately 13% at the end of this year. As Charlie said in his comments, as we increase our confidence in the capital generation of the business going forward and as the regulatory picture gets clearer, we feel it is now appropriate to move to 2x per year. And indeed, that gets us to, on average, being closer to our capital target of 13% over the course of the year. So there's good reasons behind it, and it gets us to an outcome that is more consistent with our overall 13% capital target. You asked about timing and how we'll look at it at the half year. We'll obviously let the Board deal with the buyback as appropriate at the half year. We will take into account clearly the position of the existing buyback and where we are at that point. The one point that I would make in that context is that in the past, as you know, we have seen buybacks end in August. We've also seen buybacks end in December. This year, we have a buyback that is a little higher than it was last year. We obviously had a much bigger -- or a much larger market capitalization of the overall company. And therefore, one would expect the buyback to -- if it's constrained by things like average daily traded volume, which these things typically are, to proceed at perhaps a slightly faster pace than it might have done previously. Overall, we will look at the buyback consideration at the half year. We will decide on what the quantum of the buyback should be at that point in time, taking into account the available capital stock of the company, taking into account the business needs on a go-forward basis and of course, ensuring that we preserve the position of the company. You asked specifically about how close we get to 13% at that point. Our objective right now is that we will get to 13% at the end of 2026. That's been our objective for a while now, and we maintain that position as we stand today. We'll take a look at it again at the half year.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent, why don't we take the next question from Jason in the middle row here.

Jason Napier

Jason Napier from UBS. Perhaps one question for William and one for Charlie. William, just coming back to the earlier question on deposits. I think you did a great job of handling the volume side of things. Commensurate with the bigger market cap that almost everyone now has, there's a lot of investor sensitivity around commercial intensity and what's happening to competition. So -- and particularly on the deposit side, I wonder if you could perhaps add a little color on that. And then, Charlie, the firm has done an admirable job of dealing with a really volatile macro environment over the 5-year period of the plan. One of them is the emergence of Gen AI as a thing that we all talk ad nauseam about now. What do you think has happened to the efficient frontier of cost/income ratios for banks over the period of the plan. Where do you think a modern Lloyds -- a fully modernized Lloyds, I should say, ought to operate from that perspective?

Douglas Radcliffe

Thank you, Jason. William, I think obviously, deposits is for yourself and then Charlie, the AI side.

William Leon Chalmers

Sure. Yes. Thanks for the question, Jason. I think you have to judge us by our results in some respects, at least. So the way in which we respond to the competitive environment is hopefully by delivering sustained franchise growth. And once again, you've seen that in 2026 with GBP 13.8 billion growth in deposits. I mentioned earlier on that we expect continued deposit growth during the course of 2026 and indeed beyond. So I think that's probably the base answer. What would I say in terms of competitive environment? Yes, to a degree, at least, it is increasing in its competitive intensity. I do think there are various different reasons for that. Some of them will be present for a while, i.e. they're more systemic. Some of them may be a little more transitory. We've seen, for example, quite a lot of competition from some of the fintech challenges, and there's much talk about that and the market share that they may be gaining or accessing. How do we respond to that? We respond in the context clearly of enhancing capabilities of our offering. That obviously includes things like app capabilities. Alongside of that propositional improvements, which you've seen a consistent flow of over the course of the last few years. Alongside of that, very competitive pricing in the markets that we want to be when we want to be in them. So we won't necessarily, if you like, be there all the time in every single case, we'll be there where we need to be. And in the context, obviously, of the systemic security that Lloyds offers, the branch offer that it offers, the brand and marketing and so forth. So overall, we see our competitive position versus some of those other factors within the deposit market is gradually strengthening, as said, endorsed by the deposit performance that we've seen across the franchise. One good indicator of that, going back a little to the earlier question is the PCA performance, which for us, as said, is the absolute critical relationship product. Balance is up GBP 1 billion in the course of quarter 4, balance is up GBP 1.5 billion during the course of '25 as a whole. And that is in the context of continuing market share gains from a balance perspective, which is good to see. So Jason, the competition is relevant. It's clearly something that we take very seriously. I do think the results that we show up against that competition withstand scrutiny.

Charles Nunn

I might just add one thing to that. I don't want to jump on all of these questions because it's a really important question, obviously. We made the point around market share gains in personal current accounts. We've also done that in business current accounts over the life of this cycle, and those are 2 very important areas for any organization, but especially given our strategy. When you get to savings and investments, we performed very well on Instant Access money, which is money for liquidity purposes. And last year, we had a very strong ISA tax season, but as you get into time deposits, obviously, the margin for shareholders will depend on the pricing and the competitive context. They don't support directly the structural hedge. So we typically compete there from a customer proposition and a broader relationship perspective, but we won't chase market share for the sake of chasing market share where it's not relevant to our customers and where it's not relevant to our shareholders. So we really look at quite a differentiated view of the deposit base. And you're right, it's a competitive market. That's good for customers. Last year, we traded very well and offered great offers. Let's see where the market is this year. The really core part of this is really competing where we have the stable funding and stable deposit base that shows trust. Just on your second question, wow, we could spend the whole of the morning. Thank you for asking me a question, Jason. And look, I'm not going to give you the complete answer because it's -- I think it's partly one of the discussions we'll have in July. I think a couple of thoughts that are very helpful. The first thing is -- we've said a few times now, and we did it in the seminar back in November that about 60% of the GBP 1.9 billion gross cost saves we've delivered over the last few years has been linked to digital and AI, put generative AI aside for a second. And so this ongoing trend around driving very significant lift in efficiency and operating efficiency for financial services, we've been doing that for our whole careers, but it's a significant opportunity at the moment, and it has been what's driving a significant amount of our benefits in the last 3 or 4 years. And when we look at Agentic AI, we think that will enable us to continue that trend of efficiency. So that's the first thought. Second is when you look forward, and we're really quite excited this year, we announced -- we just announced today that we see for just the generative AI use cases we're deploying this year on top of the ones we deployed last year, the 50 use cases that generated GBP 50 million of P&L, we see greater than GBP 100 million of benefit in year. And those benefits will be both revenues and costs. And of course, when you look at our industry, what's more differentiating is our ability to differentiate our services and build broader relationships on the revenue line than driving efficiency. We will do both, but efficiency, if we can do it, other people can do it. What's really exciting for us is some of the differentiation that we're building in through the services we're doing this year. We're launching a couple of examples later this year, which we are currently in testing with our colleagues, one around providing investment advice to the whole market. So you don't have to have a certain size of investments to get that investment advice. [indiscernible] team is leading that. I can see them at the back, which is going to be really interesting. It won't drive massive revenue short term, but it will be very sustainable long term. And then the second one is around really changing how customers have access to their everyday banking and providing a conversational interface to get more out of their everyday spending. And we think that's going to be very, very important for the whole everyday banking personal current account business. Jas is leading that, and he's sat here as well. So we really think there's as much on the revenue as there is efficiency. And then going forward, I won't give you answer on kind of how we see the industry playing out. But those -- that does underpin the confidence that William said we've given you that we see the cost-income ratio continuing to progress positively over the next phase. We'll come back into this. It is also really important to think about, as you know, the mix of businesses. So we happen to have a mix of businesses with a very large retail business, a significant insurance and wealth business, which, as you know, is very good from a returns perspective, but typically historically has been a higher cost/income ratio and then a smaller commercial bank. And I think when you look at Lloyds and other institutions, obviously, the mix of businesses will affect how cost/income ratios progress. We're very ambitious on this, and we are very confident we have the right talent, and we're starting at a fast pace, which is great. So let's see how it develops. We'll come and give more guidance back in July.

Douglas Radcliffe

Let's stay on the front row and let's go to Ben first, and we'll go on.

Benjamin Caven-Roberts

Ben Caven-Roberts from Goldman Sachs. Just wanted to follow up on the lending. So you mentioned within the NII guide, very strong franchise volume growth in 2026. Could you elaborate a bit on the split between Retail and Commercial and how you see the trends evolving there?

William Leon Chalmers

Yes. Thanks, Ben, for the question. Loans and advances GBP 481 billion, as you know. That is a pretty good outcome in respect to '25. So I mentioned earlier on GBP 22 billion growth in lending for the year, which is up 5%. And if you think about where GDP is, it's quite a markup on GDP. So we're pleased with that. I think it is more balanced towards the Retail part of the business over the course of the year. I talked about GBP 10.8 billion in mortgages, for example. We also saw sustained growth across cards, loans, motor and so forth. So a bit of a tilt in that direction. Within the Commercial Bank within '25, decent growth within, as I mentioned in my comments, targeted sectors within CIB. But within BCB, you effectively had a swap out of government repayments off the back of bounce-back loans for a swap in of private sector lending. And those 2 roughly equaled each other out. So that's the pattern for '25. Again, some strong franchise growth in both areas, particularly in Retail. When we look forward, first and foremost, we'll also -- we'll obviously be conditioned by the markets in which we operate. We have taken some relatively prudent assumptions in terms of the expected expansion of those markets. The mortgage market, for example, we are suggesting that lending will be healthy in '26, but maybe a touch down versus what it was in '25. That's a market comment as opposed to a Lloyds Banking Group comment. So we've deliberately taken some relatively prudent assumptions in that space, which means that our Retail lending, we still expect to show healthy AIEA growth to be clear. Will it expand at 5% -- well, will it expand by the same order of magnitude as it did in '25 in Retail? Let's see. I think our market assumptions are a little bit more cautious than that. And therefore, I would expect to see a bit of that reflected in our overall growth within Retail banking balances growth, but maybe not quite at the same pace as we saw during '25. However, within Commercial Banking, I think we see it as a bit of a different picture. That is to say we see sustained growth across the commercial bank. And maybe just to comment on that briefly. First of all, within CIB, the strategic initiatives, the focus on certain areas and so forth, I would expect CIB growth to continue to be healthy just really as it has been during the course of '25 actually. But within BCB, we're now at the point where there's only GBP 1.4 billion or so of bounce back loan balances in place. We are also at the point where we are investing heavily in the proposition there, whether that is sectoral expertise, whether it's relationship managers, whether it's customer journeys and the like. And therefore, the expectation is that the pace of organic growth within BCB should pick up a little bit. Meanwhile, because the bounce back loan stock is now only at GBP 1.4 billion, the headwind that is presented by those repayments should ebb a little bit. The net of that is probably more constructive growth within BCB, which in turn, I think, Ben, when you look at the overall balance, therefore, for '26, you should expect to see healthy loans and advances group -- sorry, healthy loans and advances growth within Lloyds Banking Group for sure. It may be a percentage point or 2 -- well, percentage point, let's say, inside of what we saw in '25. And the balance might be slightly shifting. That is to say, slightly stronger within Commercial, slightly weaker within Retail. But overall, as I said, healthy loans and advances growth with those comments attached.

Douglas Radcliffe

And very impressive, Ben. Just one question. Perlie?

Pui Mong

Sorry to disappoint I have two. So it's Perlie Mong from Bank of America. Can I ask about mortgage margin competition? So as completion margin is still about 70 basis points, and you mentioned that there's maybe 1 or 2 basis points of tightening in the quarter. I think we've all been hearing about the COVID era loans maturing in half 1 this year. So how are you seeing competition at the front end of the book in January so far? And especially in the context of the budget perhaps having less change to cash ISA than may have expected. So does that change the funding profile of some of your competitors, especially building societies? And then also the mix in the book as well because this year looks like it will have a lot of remortgages coming through. So does that change in mortgages -- remortgages versus first-time buyers change the margin picture as well? So that's number one on mortgage margins. And number two, on NII and non-NII split. So the GBP 14.9 billion is perhaps a touch below consensus. But obviously, the cost/income ratio guidance does imply an even bigger step-up in noninterest income growth versus expectations. So is that a conscious decision to put more resources behind noninterest income growth? And which area within the noninterest income growth are you feeling especially positive about?

Douglas Radcliffe

Thank you, Perlie. I think both of those questions will originally come to yourself, William.

William Leon Chalmers

Yes. And maybe, Charlie, you want to add.

Charles Nunn

Mortgage competition dynamics, and then I can talk about that.

William Leon Chalmers

Shall I kick off on mortgage margins briefly and then come over to you before getting to the second of the 2 questions. The mortgage market really as said Perlie, it has been competitive in '25. It continues to be competitive in '26. I mean that's the simplest way to look at it. We've talked about 70 basis points completion margins within mortgages. That's actually been the pattern pretty much quarter-on-quarter. I mean you'll remember quarter 2, I think I said the same thing, quarter 3, I said the same thing, and here we are in quarter 4 saying the same thing again. So 70 basis points throughout the year. But having said that, underneath that headline, you're probably seeing a chip of 1 basis point or so away in each and every quarter. So that's a reflection, if you like, of the competitive mortgage market that we are seeing. What is going on behind that? I think what is going on behind that is that everybody is enjoying the benefits of widening benefits from structural hedge, widening liability margins. And off the back of that, we and everybody else is looking at the margin as a whole. And in that context, we're pleased to see, obviously, the margin expanding by 11 basis points in '25. I mentioned earlier on that we expect to see a more material increase in net interest margins in '26. So I think everybody is looking at it in a fairly holistic way. And therefore, there's a bit of a trade-off going on between being more competitive in the mortgage market, which is being allowed for by the overall widening of our margin and the rest of the sector as a whole. I think that's what's going on. When we look at '26 in response to your question about kind of blocks of activity, yes, we have a mortgage headwind during the course of '26. We've been talking about it, I hope, very consistently over the course of recent years. So that's nothing new for us. We've been, I hope, telling you that for some years now. It is, first and foremost, because of the effect, as you say, a pretty thick 5-year margins that were written back in the, I guess, now the COVID era. That mortgage headwind is slightly compounded by the fact that completion margins, as just said, have come in a little bit versus our expectations. To be clear, we do not expect a heroic recovery in completion margins. We've taken a pretty prudent view on what those completion margins will look like over the course of this year. And of course, in doing so, we, therefore, build up the mortgage headwind a little bit in respect to '26. Now let's see what actually plays out. We might be proven wrong. Completion margins may be a little bit more steady than they are, but we've taken a relatively conservative view of how we expect competitive conditions to play out during the course of the year. And that combined with the '26 maturities means that the mortgage headwind is certainly there for '26. Again, consistent, I think, with what we've highlighted before, but maybe stretched a little bit beyond because of that completion margin pressure that I just highlighted. Now strategically, and Charlie may want to talk more about this, therefore, it is particularly important to us that we develop the franchise proposition, the customer relationship around the mortgage product. The mortgage product stands on its own 2 feet, and it meets its cost of equity. So we're perfectly happy with that on a fully loaded basis. It actually is a very attractive return on equity on a marginal basis. So the product itself stands on its own 2 feet from a financial perspective, but it is so much the better if we can develop the relationship with the customer off the back of it. And I mentioned in my comments earlier on that the protection take-up rate is now at 20%. That's gone up dramatically over the course of the time since I've been here. And indeed, as I mentioned earlier on, we think there is much further to go in that. That is only one example, but it's quite an important example of how we seek to build the customer relationship in the context of the mortgage product. You'll have noticed other examples are in the context of our PCA mortgage combination offering that we give to people. Likewise, GI is another string to the bow in terms of building that relationship. So that's what we do, if you like, to offset some of the pressure that we see within the overall financial point from the mortgage product. And then as I said, we look at the margin in its totality, which is undergoing a very benign and positive transformation right now, as you know. I'll just comment very briefly on the cash ISA and hand; over to Charlie for the question as a whole. I think overall, the pressure that may be induced by cash ISA changes may be felt by others a little bit more than us. That may be because of their deposit funding structure. It may be because of the overall way in which they maintain customer relationships. At the moment, at least, the loan deposit ratio within the business is 97%. It is a very successfully deposit-funded business with a lot of room to grow lending in. From a cash ISA strategic point of view, being obviously the combined Lloyds Banking Group Scottish Widows business that we are, we see actually the cash ISA movement as at least as much of an opportunity to build relationships in the savings space as we do see it as a source of concern in the deposit space. So from our perspective, we're fine with it.

Charles Nunn

It's a pretty full answer. Look, maybe just take a step back. Obviously, when we started this strategic cycle, the mortgage business was hugely important, but we've been losing market share for a long period of time. And we kind of set out that we wanted to prove that we could trade at 18% to 20% market share and do it profitably for our shareholders. And that's what we've done. And last year was a very good year in that context. And I think just overall, we'll continue to have that mindset. This is about being relevant to our customers, bringing leading products to market, but we're not going to chase margins in any 1 month or quarter. The market has started competitively in January, but January doesn't make a quarter and a quarter doesn't make a year. So let us trade through that. So that's the first thought. The second one, which is William talked about what we can bring alongside our mortgage products to enhance returns from an overall relationship. The other thing that we've been very focused on, and we've done successfully that has helped us to change what you'll see as the mortgage margin dynamic is think about how we provide our existing mortgage customers or current account customers access to a remortgage or a product transfer and how we use our indirect channel. And those are great when we can do that because we don't pay a product fee or procurement fee to a broker, and we can share some of the value with our customers, and we can target our customers in a way that really brings the best of our products to market. So we've increased our share of direct mortgages to 26% of the market last year. And we think that's a really important point of differentiation. It enables us to compete differently from our competitors. And we've invested heavily. I'm being watched by the leader that's done a lot of this. I'm nervous now what I'm saying. We've invested heavily in our digital capabilities around our home hub, around remortgage journeys, and that really helps customers get a simpler, quicker and good value product, and that helps us. And we've invested heavily in our relationship with our mortgage brokers. And we typically see our completion rates being above the application rates because we provide a very, very good process and journey. And again, that helps us compete in the market. So look, it's a very different market from first-time buyers through buy-to-let through prime mortgages. One other fact, which I've talked about before, we did increase our share of mass affluent mortgages from 9% to over 20%. And again, we know the value of those relationships and the broader relationship in that context. Just on NII/OOI, maybe put it the other way around, I'll say the strategic and then you can add in some of the value because it's a really important question. But when we started this strategic cycle, we laid out very clearly that we wanted to grow more diversified income distribution across the group and get more bias towards other operating income, recognizing we were still looking to grow NII ambitiously as well. But it's been always part of our strategy to do that. And we've now got 4 years consistently of growing at 9% CAGR on other operating income or more actually in '22 because we bounced off a low start in '21, we grew more than that. But I think the real quality of the franchise, the other operating income businesses is starting to show differentiation as we come through this. So we always thought strategically the right thing for our shareholders was to drive that bias towards OOI. The NII, William has gone through, we'll always have a certain conservatism around how we think about NII, but that's our right ambition. So we like the idea of OOI growing faster and giving more differentiation and diversification around the revenues. You asked around which businesses, and maybe I'll pause. I'll do that relatively quickly. And I think we'll do more of this as we look forward in the July strategy. But as William laid out, and hopefully, you've seen this additional disclosure today around our equity investments business and Lloyds Living. We always had a strategy to build quite a diversified set of businesses so that in any one quarter or year, one business may not have the best year. Actually, William explained why because of a very strong year last year and then actually U.K. sterling DCM activity was suppressed this year, our corporate OOI grew slower last year. But the whole point is we know that with the diversification and breadth of businesses, we'll be able to drive strong growth across those businesses over the next few years. And what you saw this year, and you should expect again next year is strong growth in Retail, strong growth in our Insurance and Wealth business and Lloyds Wealth specifically will help that again next year and strong growth in Commercial and in our equity businesses. The growth rates might vary quarter-on-quarter, but the pillars of that growth are well established now and they're moving at pace. So we think that's a really important part of the strategy. William, do you want to flesh out any of the detail?

William Leon Chalmers

Sure. Thank you, Charlie. I think I'd probably make 2 points. One is, of course, to flesh out the detail, but I'll come back to that in just a second. The second is I really do not think it is an either/or between NII and OOI. To be clear, we would expect to see meaningful growth in both. So when we look at NII, for example, as you know, we're looking at 9% growth in 2026. We are also looking at sustained NII growth in the period thereafter in the period beyond, fueled by structural hedge as the current headwinds of particularly deposit churn in '26, but also deposit churn and the mortgage headwind in '27 ebb away. So you should see 9% growth in '26 and then sustained growth in the period beyond that. Now just focusing briefly on '26, as I mentioned earlier on, and Charlie just highlighted it, we calibrate guidance to be highly confident of hitting it. That, of course, means a degree of conservatism in the way in which we look at things, including things like market rates and so forth. The headwinds and tailwinds in respect to the margin, they're familiar ones, the ones that I've just highlighted, for example, AIEA growth, as I mentioned in conjunction with the lending question just a second ago, is built off of relatively conservative market assumptions. Let's see how they fare over the course of the year. And then, of course, as I said, we've absorbed a macro -- a further macro change of now 2 bank base rate reductions versus previously 1. That all means that we're highly confident again in '26. It also means that we're highly confident of continued growth in the period thereafter. So, I don't think this is either NII or OOI subject to the resourcing decisions or capital allocation of the business. I think it's very much both. In terms of the detail, the 1 or 2 points I might just add just kind of fill in, in that respect. Retail up 12% during the year, 2025, that is driven by 2 or 3 factors in particular: transport, banking fees of PCA, cards, likewise. So that's a kind of, I suppose, a multipronged engine. Likewise, commercial a bit slower for the reasons that Charlie just mentioned. I would expect that growth rate to pick up in that business during the course of '26, not least because those '24 one-off effects that Charlie just highlighted drop out as well as what we've seen so far, at least a decent start to 2026. Let's see if that continues. And then Insurance, Pensions and Investments, the same drivers as '25, which is to say GI drivers, long-standing the unwind of the CSM being part of that, Workplace pensions continuing to build the business. But again, as Charlie mentioned, the embedding of Lloyds Wealth as it will be called. I think we talked at Q4 about that Lloyds Wealth income stream being an incremental circa GBP 175 million of income in the course of 2026 versus what it delivered during the course of 2025. So a meaningful, if you like, addition from that space. And then Lloyds Living -- or rather LBGI more generally, we've got a combined effect of LDC of housing growth partnership of BGF, but also Lloyds Living within that context. I mentioned Lloyds Living had doubled its OOI during the course of '25. You add together all of those LBGI businesses, and they're up 15% versus where they were the year before. You should expect meaningful growth in the OOI contribution of those businesses going forward. That hopefully just kind of fills in a bit of the blanks. But again, we would expect to see -- expect to deliver sustained growth in NII along the lines just mentioned, OOI growth for '26 ahead of what we saw in '25.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent. I'm going to take a couple of questions online, then I'll come back to the audience here. Firstly, this question from Aman at Barclays. You are set to generate increasingly significant amounts of surplus capital from here. What should the market's base case expectation be for what you are likely to do with this surplus, buybacks, specials or potentially M&A?

William Leon Chalmers

Shall I kick off on that, and then Charlie may want to add. Thank you, Aman, first of all, for the question. I think the start point and perhaps the endpoint for this question is that we are in the business of maximizing the long-term value of the group. That is really what the management team is focused on and indeed the Board. Looking forward, as it has done in the past, that is going to encompass business growth, balance sheet growth as an example of that, GBP 22 billion lending and advances growth last year, for example. Alongside clearly organic investment. We've invested, as you know, GBP 3 billion over the course of 3 years in the strategic cycle, GBP 4 billion over the course of 5 years, in fact, a touch above that as I think we talked about in Q3. That's in pursuit of improving customer propositions, making sure the franchise really progresses. At the same time, building the operational resilience of the bank as examples of other expenditures, if you like, of that cash investment. It also, from time to time, will include looking at least at M&A. But ultimately, it is all underpinned by capital distributions. And that is, as I said before, about maximizing the long-term capital distributions that we're able to give to shareholders. Now just a word on M&A. The M&A bar is pretty high. There's a couple of points to make there. One is it clearly has to be strategically coherent. I guess that goes without saying. But you've seen in the context of the last couple of years or so, a couple of M&A pieces, if you like, that we've undertaken, one being Tusker, one being Embark. Both of those 2 have enhanced capabilities of the business at a rate that was faster, at a risk that was lower and at a price that was cheaper than the organic alternative. When I first came in, we also did a scale add-on, which was the Tesco mortgage book. But it's that type of strategic, if you like, complementarity that we're looking for, either capability enhancement or alternatively scale add-ons. And then as I said, it has to be put through the filter of, is it going to get us to the target zone -- strategic target zone that is -- in a way that is faster than the organic alternative, in a way that is at least lower risk than the organic alternative and in a way that is ideally cheaper than the organic alternative. So we're looking for speed, low risk and value in the context of the M&A that we would choose to undertake or choose to look at, if you like. Only when we meet that high bar, would we choose to divert any money from what would otherwise be distributions to the shareholders to M&A. You've seen the type of things that we've done before. I think the concern is, does it tick all of those boxes. That's the way that we'll look at it. But as I said, any capital allocation, whether it's about balance sheet expansion, whether it's about organic investment in the business, whether it's about M&A, whether it's about capital distributions, is about maximizing the long-term value generation and indeed, ultimately, capital distribution in the business over time.

Douglas Radcliffe

The second question online is from Rob Noble at Deutsche. When considering full year '26 distributions, will it be pro forma for the Basel 3.1 reduction in RWAs as of 1st of January 2027? Are there any other regulatory moving parts of RWAs in 2026? Or will they grow in line with loans? I expect both of those for you, William.

William Leon Chalmers

Sure. I will kick off and Charlie may want to add about some of the strategic ambitions, if you like. The -- it's obviously far too early to talk about full year '26 capital distributions. We've just gotten to the point of offering GBP 3.9 billion in respect of '25, which in turn, as you know, from both Charlie and my comments, is a 15% increase in the dividend and a GBP 1.75 billion buyback. So we think that's a respectable outcome in terms of '25. To be clear, we do expect to grow capital distributions in respect to '26. That comes off the back of the increased capital generation of in excess of 200 basis points. So there's no debate about the direction that we're going in. But as you can imagine, Rob, I'm going to stop short of making any commitments about it. That will be a question for the Board at the right time. I might just pause for a moment on Basel 3.1. A couple of points to make really here. One is, as you know from our disclosures this morning, we do expect Basel 3.1 to be a positive from the company's point of view. That is to say, to reduce RWAs by the range of GBP 6 billion to GBP 8 billion. We'll see depending on the evolution of the balance sheet and indeed evolution of economics that drive some of the factors behind Basel 3.1, exactly where within that landing zone it ends up, but that's the range that we expect. Why is it that we expect that benefit? It's largely off the back of the commercial business and the fact that we are currently operating on foundation IRB, whereas other commercial businesses that we see in the market are typically on advanced ARB. And therefore, as Basel 3.1 gets implemented, there's less -- or rather maybe put it another way, there is some benefit for us because of our start point. That's where the majority of benefits come from. There is a little bit from retail as well, but that's the overall pattern of the Basel 3.1, as I say, RWA reduction. It's also worth briefly straying off Basel 3.1 for a moment on this, which is to say we have now landed our models for CRD IV. That is consistent with our GBP 2 billion RWA add-on in quarter 4, to be clear. We are now in the process of gaining PRA approval. Until we gain that PRA approval, there is obviously a little bit of risk around the PRA taking a look at it and if you like, entering into discussion with us. So let's see where that lands. We are where we are for good reason, but I just want to highlight that in the context of the Basel 3.1 benefits that we see. Finally, in terms of distributions, Rob, as said, I'm not going to comment on the quantum. I have commented already on the direction. I do think it's important to say in that context that Basel 3.1 is going to give us RWA relief. You can figure out how many basis points of capital that RWA relief equates to we certainly have done. We will look at investments in the business, to be clear. We will clearly look at maximizing long-term value of the company, and that is in the spirit of maximizing long-term capital distributions to shareholders for sure. But we will look at in the context of the overall capital position of the company, where we might deploy investments in the shareholders' best interests rather than necessarily automatically pay everything out in the minute that we get a pound in. That is not to say that we will not pay any element of that Basel 3.1 benefit out. It's not to say that. But it is to say that we will look at the round in the overall capital position of the company, and we will make the appropriate investments to ensure that the franchise stays as strong tomorrow as it is today and is capable of delivering shareholders what they want and need.

Charles Nunn

The thing I might add is, William and I were really conscious as we came in today that we weren't able to give you financial guidance beyond 2026 until July. And so what we've tried to do today is do a couple of things. One, give you some confidence in the momentum in the underlying business direction and efficiency that we are delivering over this period, and that momentum will continue. The second thing was to give you some specific numbers where we felt guidance was appropriate. So the structural hedge in '27 and then some of the language William has used around that remaining supportive through the back end of this decade, even with our assumptions around how rates the yield curve will evolve. And then the RWA release we just talked about, again, you can see that we have the capacity to continue to really drive this business forward. And then obviously, the third thing is those 3 statements that we've both repeated a couple of times that we see beyond 2026, the opportunity to increase revenues, increase operating leverage and increase shareholder returns. So we'll come back in July and give you that broader view around what that really means. But you can see we were just trying to sow the seeds for you to really understand why the confidence that we have around this business in '26 and going forward is grounded.

Douglas Radcliffe

Thank you. Let's return to the room. Let's take a question from Jonathan at the front.

Jonathan Richard Pierce

It's Jonathan Pierce from Jefferies. I've got 2. The first one is just a modeling question really. The fair value unwind and the amortization of purchase intangibles. Consensus has those broadly holding moving forward. My suspicion though is those are going to come down quite notably, certainly by '27, '28. Can you just confirm where that number will be, those 2 items in aggregate, please, a couple of years forward? The second question, I'm sorry to come back to this point on capital generation, but it is clearly a major part of the story. And the guidance for this year for free capital generation of over 200 basis points obviously incorporates RWA growth and all these sorts of things. So we can see there's about GBP 5 billion of free capital from that. You've got another 20 basis points reduction in the equity Tier 1 to come, which is another GBP 500 million. And then you've got the day 1 Basel 3.1 of circa another GBP 1 billion 1st of Jan '27. That's GBP 6.5 billion taking into account organic investments and RWA growth at least. How should we think about the mix of buybacks and dividends moving forward? And in particular, I'm interested in the dividend payout ratio because, William, you've been keen to flag several times in the last few months that the dividend payout ratio is too low, yet again, consensus doesn't really have it moving over the next few years. So is there scope here for that dividend to start growing by somewhat more than 15% a year over the next 2 to 3 years?

William Leon Chalmers

Thanks for those questions, Jonathan. I'll take both of them in the first instance. It may be that Charlie wants to expand also on the second in particular. On the fair value and amortization component, that has seen, as you know, a Q4 charge, I think, about GBP 34 million -- GBP 35 million actually. That is more or less consistent with the run rate, primarily related to businesses, many of them going back to the HBOS days and so forth, which in turn are amortizing over the last couple of years and indeed into the foreseeable future. We did see a bit of a step down during the course of the year, and we do see expectations of a bit of step down consistent with your question, actually, Jonathan, over the course of the coming years. And that is as certain instruments that are getting effectively amortized in the context of that line coming off. The HBOS debt instruments are one example of that. And so you should expect, if you like, downward pressures to come from that. The only point I'd make in addition to that is that we are -- as Charlie mentioned, we've done a couple of acquisitions this year, SPW being one, Curve being another. And so that will add to the pile of stuff, if you like, that then needs to be amortized in the future periods. So all being static, I would expect that line to gradually come down for the reasons mentioned, much of it relating to HBOS amortization. Having said that, we've added on a little bit in the context of '25 off the back of those 2 acquisitions. And therefore, we look at the net of those 2 rather than just one point in isolation. The second point I would make on that fair value unwind intangibles point is that, as you know, the bulk of it has nothing to do with capital. So while it may actually help, if you like, the overall build in RoTE over time, not by much, but it will make a positive difference. Nonetheless, don't expect that necessarily to feed into the capital generation of the company. And so just worth bearing that in mind. The second point, the capital generation, without commenting too specifically or directly on your numbers, I can see how you get to them. Maybe that's the best way of putting it. That relates to the capital generation of the company. It relates to the 13.2% down to 13%, which I said we've got a commitment to getting down to at the end of 2026. The Basel 3.1 basis points, you can tell from the GBP 6 billion to GBP 8 billion range that we've got what type of capital contribution that might make. Just as I said earlier on, though, just bear in mind that we're not completely settled on CRD IV until the PRA is signed off, just bear that in mind really. And then what does all that mean for the capital generation of the company and dividend payout ratio and so forth. One point that I'd make at the outset there is that the payout -- the dividend, if you like, needs to take into account recurring earnings streams within the company whereas the buyback is more capable of taking into account lumpy benefits. And therefore, the buyback is more attuned to dealing with things like Basel 3.1, whereas the dividend is more attuned to dealing with the ongoing earnings for the company. And that's an important start point for the way in which we look at it. When we look at the buyback versus dividend equation, we are committed not to a payout ratio within the dividend, as you know, but more to a progressive and sustainable dividend policy. And that, of course, means growth, but it means growth in a sustainable way, which for those of you who are long in the tooth like I am, will remember that is particularly important to Lloyds having the history that it has. So both growth but growth in a sustainable manner for the dividend. You've seen that over the last 2 or 3 years, that's meant 15% dividend growth, which now is 80% above where it was in 2021. And the point of emphasizing the payout ratio is not to say that we're changing our policy or that we have a payout ratio policy, but rather to say that there is a lot of room for progressive and sustainable dividend growth in the periods going forward. And what we'll end up debating with the Board, I'm sure, is do we take a step jump in one period of time for that dividend, i.e., see a sharp growth in 1 year and then, if you like, attenuate the growth in the period thereafter? Or do we keep the 15% or thereabouts growth rate going for some years into the future. And I think the good thing about where the business is right now is that based upon the guidance and expectations as to continued business growth, we have the scope to do one or other of those 2. And that's the point of, if you like, emphasizing the fact that we are on a low payout ratio. It is hard to put a finger on exactly where that changes, but we obviously pay attention to payout ratios that other banks, not just in the U.K. but beyond get to. But again, progressive and sustainable dividend policy is what it is all about. In that context, it's worth just briefly commenting on the buyback and how do we look at the buyback and what's the impact of the price and so forth on the buyback because that's an inevitable part of the equation. First of all, I'd say the buyback in respect of '25, the GBP 1.7 billion that we bought back was bought back at an average share price of 77p per share. So when we look back on it, that obviously looks like good value now. And we very much hope we'll be saying the same thing this time next year, of course. We are committed to the buyback that we have today. We also see significant value in the current share price. And so that commitment to the buyback makes sense in the context of the share price that we're at today. That's in the context of expected earnings growth, expected TNAV growth. It is also in the context of investors who basically see it the same way as we do. That is to say they have a preference for the buyback, and we obviously have to respect that as our owners. Alongside investors and owners who prefer income have it, and they have it from that 15% dividend growth, number one. They also have it because the buyback reduces the number of shares and therefore, helps us accelerate dividend growth on a per share basis, number two. We look at the buyback also with the EPS, the DPS, the TNAV per share benefits that it gives. And then in the round, therefore, we are still very much behind the buyback. We think it's a very sensible thing to do for all the reasons emphasized. That means, I think, Jonathan, looking forward that dividend progressive and sustainable growth is an expectation, certainly a core expectation of us, as I said in my comments, an attractive pace. But I think excess capital distribution, both for the reasons that I just mentioned, also to accommodate, if you like, lumpy capital benefits, Basel 3.1 being the best example, with buyback is a good way to do that.

Charles Nunn

It's a pretty full answer. I think we said in the last few years, this is the problem we wanted to have that we get to a place where we have very strong capital distribution and our valuation more fully represents where we are today. And as William said, we think there's more value to come, but this is the right debate for us to be having, and we'll really value input from all of you and our shareholders as well as part of that as we go forward.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent. Good. We run out of time, but I'll take a couple more questions. I think, Sheel, you had your hand out and Chris. So we start with you, Sheel, and then we'll finish with Chris.

Sheel Shah

Sheel Shah, JPMorgan. Two questions from me, please. First, on the IP&I business. The other income has grown strong at 11%, but one area where maybe the strategic initiatives have been a little slower to show there is maybe the net flows. Net flow rate of growth has been maybe at the low single-digit percentage. How much of that is a function of the market? And what do you think is the natural growth rate of this business? And secondly, coming back to AI, the GBP 100 million that you've spoken about, there's a lot of focus on the ROI of these investments. Is that on a gross basis? Or is that including the cost of these investments that you've made?

William Leon Chalmers

On the strategic investments, in particular, Sheel?

Sheel Shah

Sorry, the AI.

William Leon Chalmers

The AI. Charlie, shall I kick off, please?

Charles Nunn

You can and I'll add on the...

William Leon Chalmers

In terms of IP&I, the business, as you say, has been really successful in terms of growing some of its core activities. You'll notice that the IP&I business recently last year, maybe actually '24, it might be the tail end of, effectively focused the business on 2 or 3 core strategic areas. These include things like GI, it includes things like workplace pensions, for example. At the same time, it sold the bulk business. That was a reflection, if you like, of the strategic focus of the business and a very deliberate capital allocation decision upon those areas where we frankly felt we had a right to win and indeed a path to ensuring that we did so. So that's what's behind the positioning of the business. That's also what's behind the 11% OOI growth in respect of Insurance, Pensions and Investments in 2025, and that added to the acquisition of Schroders Personal Wealth now to be Lloyds Wealth, should add to greater growth, i.e., faster growth in OOI from IP&I going forward into 2026. That's the earnings story. You talked about book growth there. I would just distinguish in doing so between what we describe as the open book growth versus the closed book growth. And what we mean by that is that we're very interested in growing assets fast in the context of those businesses that we are strategically focused on, just as I mentioned a second ago. And if you look at open book AUA new money in 2025, it's almost GBP 8 billion. It's about GBP 4.2 billion in Q4. Of course, we would expect to see that build over the course of time. And off the back of the strategic focus and investments in the businesses that I've just mentioned, Sheel, you should expect to see that. I won't give you a precise run rate that we expect to target the business at. Safe to say that it's strategically focused and concentrated. And in addition to that, with that type of investment, with that type of background and context, we would expect those open book AUAs to grow at a faster base than necessarily or faster pace than necessarily the totality of assets under administration in the entire IP&I business might do. The second of your question, ROI, ROI always takes account of the investment.

Charles Nunn

So just any other thing I'd add on the Workplace business is the benefit here of being a joined-up group is really helpful. We have all of our 1 million BCB customers and all our corporate institutional customers. And so the joined-up connectivity between the Workplace team and our Commercial teams is very strong, and you should continue to see us winning mandates, although the percentage of mandates in any 1 year is quite low. As you know, it's only about 2%. The pensions market is switching, workplace pensions, but it's a source of competitive advantage for us. And then the Lloyds Wealth acquisition, we said it both pretty quickly, I think. We see that as an opportunity, obviously, for our retail customers and especially mass affluent, but also our workplace customers and for all big workplace pensions businesses, and we're #2 today. As you know, attrition and consolidation as we get near a deaccumulation phase for people is one of the choices where people decide where they're going to consolidate their pensions. And we now have an advisory proposition we can bring to bear for our customers in the workplace business. So it helps us have another tool for supporting customers when they're making those really important choices and can help us manage attrition on that business. So we do think it's a really attractive business. Now it's at scale, good returns and does have the potential to continue to grow healthily.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent. Chris?

Christopher Cant

It's Chris Cant from Autonomous. Just trying to round things out, I guess, with regards to the commentary on AI and kind of digital leadership, the comment you made about reaching the end of this investment cycle and that being part of what's, I guess, helping control costs in '26 specifically as you look out to the next planning cycle, is it really a case of just redeploying the sort of investment spending that you've been doing over the last 3, 5 years? So changing the focus to focus more on this digital AI leadership angle or should we expect some kind of lumpiness? Like do you feel like you need to have a front load of investment in relation to this Gen AI opportunity that you see? So should we expect that progress towards operating jaws to be gradual? Or should we expect it to be, I guess, back-end loaded? Is there anything you want to say there? That would be helpful. And then just kind of reading between the lines a little bit. I get a distinct impression that you see one of the key opportunity sets within this AI revenue opportunity that you were pointing to as being the fact you have the captive insurer, you have this Workplace business. Could you comment on your inorganic appetite in that space? So you've been linked to Evelyn Partners. I'm not expecting you to comment on a specific transaction, but I'm sure you've seen the same headlines we all have -- I asked you about Schroders last summer, and you bought that. There's the Aegon U.K. workplace business potentially up for sale. I'm just curious, is -- am I right in inferring that that's the key area that you see the next leg of the strategy for OOI growth. The last few years has been a lot about the leasing business, and that's been a huge driver of the overall other income growth. As we look forward, is it more about the fact that you're this joined up group and you can cross-sell and you can deploy AI to do that? And is that where we should be directing our attention because I think we probably all under analyze your insurance business, frankly.

Charles Nunn

Do you want to try the first one? We can both do both again. You want to try the first one, I have the second one and then...

William Leon Chalmers

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Thanks for the question, Chris. In respect of the AI opportunity, it is obviously gathering pace, as Charlie has mentioned in his comments. We've seen some foundation building during the course of '25. We're seeing scaling during the course of '26, and Charlie mentioned the 4 or 5 blocks of activity that, that relates to. When we look at the impact on that in the next strategic plan, if you like, in the period beyond 2026, that opportunity is going to grow meaningfully. It will grow both across the revenue opportunity and just as you said, not just within businesses, but in terms of linking businesses up together for sure. It is also -- you asked about the nature of the operational leverage and whether that is back-end loaded or whether that is, if you like, a continuous commitment. I think it is fair to say, well, maybe make 2 comments. One is the improvement to operational leverage is intended to be about momentum. That is to say that we are delivering sub-50% cost/income ratio in '26. We expect that momentum to be sustained in the years thereafter. Now inevitably, when you make investments early on in the strategic cycle, just as we are in this one, you will see that momentum accelerating towards the end of the strategic cycle. But don't make -- if you like, don't misinterpret that as being a lack of momentum in the years '27, '28 and so forth. So that's the way I would look at it. It is sustained momentum. It will inevitably because of the nature of investments and the way in which they mature, accelerate towards the back end, but that's just the way of things, and you've seen it in the course of this cycle. The final point that I'd make on that perhaps before handing back to Charlie is that I hope that when people reflect upon this strategic cycle, people will believe that we've invested the money wisely. That is to say, we've invested GBP 3 billion over the course of 3 years, just over GBP 4 billion over the course of 5 years. That is starting to yield returns of the type that we're describing today. That is also what is behind our confidence in improved income growth, continuous operating leverage improvements in the period beyond '26 and indeed enhanced RoTEs and therefore, capital generation expectations in the period beyond '26. So when we look at the overall investments in AI, just to mention one class of investments, amongst others, you would expect us to invest wisely. And I very much hope this strategic cycle at least gives confidence in that respect.

Charles Nunn

Great. You're close to getting us to talk about beyond 2026, which we are vehemently against because that will be July. Just in terms of your second question, a couple of things. And obviously, you wouldn't expect me to talk about individual companies despite the fact that you pointed out Schroders Personal Wealth last summer. Look, the first thing, again, on OOI growth, it's enhanced, not an old strategy. So we expect to see growth in all of those OOI pillars that we talked about. We're excited about the future of transport. We're excited about the future of our payments business, and we just bought Curve. We've captured market share in credit card payments, something as old-fashioned as that during the cycle, gone from less than 15% to 17.5%, one of the targets we said we would deliver. We delivered that last year, 2 years early. We're excited about the opportunity to continue to grow our commercial businesses that underpin OOI. William talked about the momentum in Lloyds Living as an example. So it's an and strategy. Yes, we are excited about the opportunity to continue to grow our Insurance, Pensions and Investments business. And so we see that as a really significant opportunity, not least because they're great stand-alone businesses themselves, but they are unique in our ability to bring them to our broader group, the connectivity into our commercial franchise, our retail franchise specifically. No one else in this market can do that. And we see there's lots of opportunity to innovate. In terms of acquisitions as a path for that, look, I think William laid out very clearly how we think about those, both our track record, yes, we will do them where they have -- they accelerate our ability to deliver distinctive capabilities strategically and scale that makes a difference for our customers and our shareholders. But we do have a high bar for those, and we'll continue to look at it in that context. I know, Chris, you'll remember back in '22 when we laid out this phase of the strategy, we laid out which businesses we aren't operating at the kind of 20-ish percent market share range. And as you know, there's still a number of these businesses. Actually, our Workplace Pensions business is pretty healthy in terms of its market share, but investments and then some of the associated areas around that, we're not operating at that level. That's also true in some parts of the payment space, in some parts of SME banking. And so we see opportunities to really grow in a number of businesses. And yes, IP&I is definitely one of them.

William Leon Chalmers

Chris, just to perhaps finish off on your SPW example, it is worth saying that we acquired their full control of what is a great business that will extend our wealth proposition to the customer base, alongside GBP 18 billion of assets under management, assets under administration as well as an addition of circa GBP 180 million of earnings, and it was all for GBP 0 capital cost.

Charles Nunn

And actually, just one more thought on that because we'll look and without doubling down is getting to the end, 300 great advisers, which is quite a material team that we can then apply into our broader group who are advisers we know, we love, some of them worked at Lloyds and we are confident in their conduct outcomes. So for a group like us, that's a hugely important part of making an acquisition like that. So well spotted last summer.

Douglas Radcliffe

Excellent. So thank you. That concludes the questions. I don't know Charlie, whether you want to just briefly summarize and conclude the event.

Charles Nunn

Well, no, just as always, first of all, thank you, Douglas. Thanks for hosting the questions, and thanks to everyone who's joined in the room. And offline, we really appreciated the questions. Thank you for bearing with us as we've got this gap between this year-end and our July new strategy and financial guidance. We're really already looking forward to July, but let's stay in the moment for a second. I know it's a busy moment. We've brought our results forward, but I think there's 9, 10 other European banks live. So thank you for prioritizing Lloyds over the rest. I don't know if you're going to be able to get the half term if you've got families, but that's hopefully a benefit from all of this. Obviously, our IR team is around for any further questions. As always, we'll be here for a few minutes ourselves. I'll look forward to seeing you in July. As I said, I'm really looking forward to that. William will do the Q1 results. As a team, we're going to be very focused on delivering 2026, and that's what we're going to be doing for the next few months until I see you again. So thank you very much for joining today, and see you very soon.

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Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) Q4 2025 Earnings Report Preview: What To Expect

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This article first appeared on GuruFocus. Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) is set to release its Q4 2025 earnings on Jan 29, 2026. The consensus estimate for Q4 2025 revenue is $5.10 billion, and the earnings are expected to come in at $0.02 per share. The full year 2025's revenue is expected to be $18.97 billion and the earnings are expected to be $0.07 per share. More detailed estimate data can be found on the Forecast page. Warning! GuruFocus has detected 7 Warning Signs with LSE:LLOY. Is LSE:LLOY fairly valued? Test your thesis with our free DCF calculator. Revenue estimates for Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) have declined from $19.04 billion to $18.97 billion for the full year 2025. For 2026, revenue estimates have increased from $20.80 billion to $20.88 billion over the past 90 days. Earnings estimates for Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) have remained stable at $0.07 per share for the full year 2025 and at $0.10 per share for 2026 over the past 90 days. In the previous quarter ending 2025-09-30, Lloyds Banking Group PLC's (LSE:LLOY) actual revenue was $4.64 billion, which missed analysts' revenue expectations of $4.80 billion by -3.19%. Lloyds Banking Group PLC's (LSE:LLOY) actual earnings were $0.01 per share, which missed analysts' earnings expectations of $0.015 per share by -33.33%. After releasing the results, Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) was up by 1.16% in one day. Based on the one-year price targets offered by 15 analysts, the average target price for Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) is $1.06 with a high estimate of $1.20 and a low estimate of $0.84. The average target implies an upside of 0.71% from the current price of $1.05. Based on GuruFocus estimates, the estimated GF Value for Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) in one year is $0.70, suggesting a downside of -33.49% from the current price of $1.05. Based on the consensus recommendation from 19 brokerage firms, Lloyds Banking Group PLC's (LSE:LLOY) average brokerage recommendation is currently 2.4, indicating an "Outperform" status. The rating scale ranges from 1 to 5, where 1 signifies strong buy, and 5 denotes sell.

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